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Economy on the edge: Swan dive or belly flop?

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Posted by NZX Communications on October 10th, 2008 :: Filed under NZ Economy, NZ Institute, NZX Markets, Swanbelly
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88 Responses to “Economy on the edge: Swan dive or belly flop?”

  1. Jerry Flay
    October 10th, 2008

    If a business model if flawed (e.g. electronics retailers, supply lead business based on credit), why prop it up – eventually it will fail. Surely this is an opportunity to weed out the flawed business models which have been one of the engines of our so called growth and emerge leaner and fitter?
    If you don’t let them go naturally, you are just delaying the inevitable and exacerbating the problem.

  2. Mark Weldon
    October 10th, 2008

    Jerry,

    There are clearly equity issues with the “returning Kiwi’s” policy that need to be addressed. That is why the strategy doc is a draft. One comment Linda Clark made today I thought was pretty sensible – target this at higher income workers returning. This ensures they will bring more savings back, consumption/housing support will be stronger, and will not undercut the workers who are most at risk – the average earner. The secret engine of the US economy for the last decade has been immigration. While credit fueled the bubble, immigration/recruitment, into Silicon Valley, etc has been the driver of new wealth and industry. This is where we need to make a long-term bet on talent creating value. Again, why you might make it available only to people who get jobs that pay, say, $80-$100k +.

    In terms of letting businesses “go”, the reality is that well run firms who have relied, sensibly, on working capital funded by banks and commercial paper markets, are going to be placed at real risk. This is why the Fed is lending direct to firms in the US – they are at risk of going under because credit has dried up, not because they are bad business or have taken on too much risk. As someone said to me in an e-mail this morning “given that our BOP deficit is 8.3 % of GDP, we could approach a potential crunch as a nation of a scale we have never before experienced. And what price would we have to pay ? The transition cost for the economy of firm failures is huge. It is not like just shifting curves out in an economics class, firms do not just instantly restart, so do not think we are exacerbating the problem – but ameliorating it

  3. QB
    October 10th, 2008

    We have just posted the following comment on The Hive

    We have been calling for leadership and good on Skilling and Weldon for rising to the challenge.

    We don’t think that we will achieve a consensus on these ideas quickly but we share their desire to stimulate a debate.

    The idea of a Temasek style vehicle to support our growth strategy interests us enormously. We have had similar ideas ourselves. We have also argued for some time that we should be integrating the strategies being pursued by the NZSF, EQC, ACC and our wider trade and investment strategy. We would support fully these ideas being picked up in a wider review of industry and export strategy which we see as urgent post election.

    The one area of disagreement would be around the R&D tax credit. We don’t think that this was that well designed or effective. Our view is that lower tax across the board is much better for the economy than trying to support but a few companies. Feedback from those using this policy was mixed as there was a high compliance price.

    We share the view that retirement savings should be compulsory, but would not want that rate to be any higher than 2% contribution by both employee and employer in the short term – we need to keep cash flowing through the economy.

  4. Jerry Flay
    October 10th, 2008

    So this plan will reward all Kiwis who deserted these shores for the overseas dollar, if they return. How does that leave those loyal ones who have stayed and plied their trade here? Isn’t this rewarding the rats who left the ship?

  5. KR
    October 10th, 2008

    At last some economic leadership shown in this country. Good on the NZ Institute and NZX. I don’t know about delaying paying the piper with the provisional tax suggestion, nor rewarding those kiwis that left the country for better times overseas whilst those that stayed to make the country better get nothing. But one thing is for sure, businesses need support now, not consumers with marginal tax cuts. Consumers are worried about losing their jobs not if they can afford another cup of coffee, or if they’re lucky, a block of cheese a week. So support business by whatever means to keep people employed! If people feel secure in their employment, the economic turn-around will happen sooner.

  6. Miki Szikszai
    October 10th, 2008

    A very good intiative – well done. Excellent to open up this conversation.

    It was disappointing (but not surprising) that neither political party is looking at this current crisis as a genuine opportunity to ensure that NZ Inc comes out of the recession in the best possible shape in terms of our overall competitiveness. In fact, their approaches both seem to be about avoiding the reality by keeping on going with consumer driven tax cuts as opposed to addressing the fundamental.

    I completely support the principles in here of

    1. Creating an environment where NZ businesses can initially survive and then be best placed to succeed.

    2. Effectively advocating a raid on global talent by making it more attractive to the type of people who can drive productivity for NZ to generate a large proportion of that productivity here in NZ.

    Not sure about the mechanisms to achieve this but bound to be more effective that a small tax cut

    I note that research completed for FoRST earlier this year indicated that the R&D tax credit was not a major driver for a lot (not all) R&D based companies.

  7. Jason Kemp
    October 10th, 2008

    Congratulations on your blog. I have reviewed a few ideas myself over on my blog over at
    ( http://www.dialogcrm.com/blog/2008/10/10/new-business-paradigm-needed/)

    I think there is a vacuum of leadership on this issue. Mr Key should be in his element – but he has no cut through on any of this. A big key to this (no pun intended) is changes to KiwiSaver. That Australia has had 20 years of build up to their Super funds has been a huge success.

    Of course having those big holes in the ground in WA is also very lucky but over the longer term ANZ super funds – if they stay away from over financialization of the local markets will be a pillar for long term success.

    Congratulations again to the team including David Skillings and others who have put out the draft doc.

  8. Jerry Flay
    October 10th, 2008

    Mark

    re returning Kiwis – as a high income earner who has stuck it out in NZ, and paid our delightful direct and indirect taxes, I would feel very disenfranchised if someone who had departed these shores in pursuit of the silver dollar (nothing wrong in that), came home (perhaps becasue the job market where they had gone had dried up) and got a huge tax advantage. Yes, their presence will benefit the economy in the short term – but will they stay if things pick up? If they then leave, will their beneficial tax regime be retrospectively clawed back? I believe it is more appropriate to address why they go in the first place, and I also believe that our domestic tax regime is a major factor in that – along with others, of course.

    regarding the support of business, yes, the transition cost of business failure is significant, but surely the artifical maintenance of poor businesses will cost at least the same if not more if they continue to run into trouble.

    I am by no means an expert, but it seems to me that many of the solutions you, and in all fairness most of the rest of the worlds are proposing are simply aimed at recreating a slightly more efficient version of the model that is currently collapsing all around us – growth for the sake of growth. By perpetuating that, surely we expose ourselves to continued and repeat credit crunches on a regular basis?

  9. Alex Fala
    October 10th, 2008

    Mark/David,

    Congratulations on a great initiative.

    I agree with the general objectives of the report and with many of the proposals.

    I do have some concerns around the proposal for a tax rebate for returning Kiwis. Again, I agree with the objective, but think it suffers from two flaws:
    1. There’s no lockin. I don’t think 2 years service is enough to justify a big tax cut. We want people to come back for longer. We know from the experience with student loans that bonding doesn’t work–it just means that people who leave never come back!
    2. I’m not convinced that capital will follow people back into the country. Investment doesn’t necessarily follow residence and, with the drop in the exchange rate, I think many returning kiwis would leave their savings offshore in the hope of a recovery.

    So, in the spirit of constructive debate, here’s a suggestion: instead of an income tax rebate, why not offer additional government matching of voluntary Kiwisaver contributions (up to some maximum)? This provides an incentive for people to return–and at least contemplate staying long term, encourages at least some of their savings to follow them, ensures those savings go into the productive sector (rather than propping up the property market), and could be structured to cost the same as a tax rebate.

    I also recognise the equity issues. And as someone who had significantly greater economic opportunities overseas but chose to come home, I’m directly affected. However, I think we should all be putting those concerns behind us in the best interests of the country.

  10. Peter
    October 10th, 2008

    To Skilling and Weldon

    I like your vision, I’m not sure I agree with all your comments but I believe that some of your ideas are solid. Politicians are to worried about rocking the boat, something that NZ politicians were famous for the Social welfare state, to free market, to anti Nuclear. Who is going to take the next big step??

    Kiwisaver should be compulsory – Why because Kiwi money would feed into the capital markets thus making NZ businesses more robust. It will allow for growth (Employment, Pay increases, oversea expansion) It would also mean that if they are to be brought out by overseas businesses they will have to pay true value. NZ business are far to cheap because of our small capital market. Look at the Aussies in this, its a no brainer for me.
    I like the idea of floating SOE – The makes our capital market bigger stronger and more attractive to invest in. Look at BHP in ASX it holds up the ASX and brings in funds.

    I’m not sure about the 2 year tax free for businesses who move here. I’ve seen this in Europe and whilst its good for the Tax free period they usually get up and move soon after. Look at Scotland as an example. So further creative thinking needed here.
    Tax cuts for NZers returning home. Not sure about this either though it would be a incentive I would look at.(I’m living in Aussie but my wife is an Australia and we would like to move back in the next 3-4 years) this could bring us back earlier.
    I have no serious problems with 100% depreciation to capital Investment I can see advantages.

    At the end of the day NZers need to be less reliant on property as an investment tool this just over inflates the market and makes it difficult for new entrants. We need to make NZ businesses stronger and save more so Kiwisaver looks a strong tool to deliever this. I think some people are afraid of losing equity in the housing market if there was a fundamental shift in thought. Maybe there is and opportunity to look at a solution for this?

    Keep chipping away at this please for the benefit of all New Zealanders.

    Cheers

  11. Derek Holmes
    October 10th, 2008

    Great to see someone has some vision going forward, even if many don’t agree with the mechanics of it. Do the political parties have any risk management options to share with the rest of us? Globally, there are question marks over how to deal with the credit crunch. It is well past the time to open up debate here.

    Regarding rewarding ex-pats, forget the “why didn’t I get something?” attitude. This is serious on a global basis, no time for whinging about what you may or may not have done, locally (very small minded).

    Medium-term, NZ needs (the Govt) to reduce the incentive to invest so heavily in residential property, hasn’t leaky buildings and now the credit crunch brought this home? Releasing those funds for investment in business (and R&D) would be a great start but to date no political party has wanted to take that step. It would require a huge change in local attitudes and expectation. Banks in particular need to be regulated on lending. Do we really need to be paying offshore banks for the “luxury” of having high growth and pricing of our property sector?

  12. Rod Drury
    October 10th, 2008

    Finally some leadership and ideas.

    Having just returned from the US and the UK it is so frustrating that this election is about rearranging the deck chairs and not about a coherent plan for really moving New Zealand. The rest of the world is investing and using technology to get ahead and we are quickly becoming Fiji with Snow as David likes to say. We’re blowing our competitive advantage of being small enough to just get stuff done.

    I agree with the R&D policy concerns. It was becoming more about rearranging expenses than stimulating new R&D. The IRD was slowly killing it anyway.

    Some of these ideas feel a bit radical to happen quickly but fantastic that ideas are at last being thrown around and discussed.

    Maybe this crisis is the catalyst to wake some people up. We all want better schools and hospitals but to get those things some of us have to focus on growing the pie and not just how we slice it up. Time for John to step up. I’m nervous we may head for another 3 years of inward focus at a key time where technology changes everything.

    Rod Drury
    Xero

  13. Juha
    October 10th, 2008

    Leadership and ideas by those not in charge is in all likelihood not going to achieve much. Good to see something different however.

  14. Jerry Flay
    October 10th, 2008

    There’s obviously some potenital to this blog, and obviously plenty of people who are currently not in government who have thoughts and ideas which could be of value.

    Because it is a forum in which ideas can be debated without fear of breaching party allegiance, and in which concepts can be floated, shot down or agreed on on merit, there is an opportunity to use it to create a wider charter for the future – not just for the economy in isolation, but for NZ socially, politically and financially.

    With the right volume of input, debate, exposure then concensus, it could actually produce a document which influences future government policy.

    Question is, as the initiator, has NZX got the commitment to it to carry it through?

    NZX – what are your ambitions for this Blog?

  15. Miki Szikszai
    October 10th, 2008

    @Juha

    It’s called a revolution. The Eastern Europeans among us know about them. Only problem is there is no such thing as blood-less revolution

  16. KR
    October 10th, 2008

    Pretty much all I want to say is summed up in David Hargreaves article today in http://www.stuff.co.nz/4722735a1865.html.

    If you haven’t read it, do!

    Just to add though – thinking long-term now, to stop us getting into this mess again, could we please start teaching our kids at home and school about money, saving and investing / supporting NZ businesses via the stockmarket. 99% of school leavers probably don’t even know what a dividend is let alone how to go about buying NZ shares.

    For when the next crisis hits, iand it will, in 10-20yrs, by then perhaps we could have reduced our household debt and not be so reliant on foreign investors for our business and banks.

    or is this too sensible?

  17. Juha
    October 10th, 2008

    @Miki No… that’d be, err, anemic. :)

    What Skilling and Weldon propose is drastic enough for them to stand for Parliament, instead of remaining on the outside and trying to affect change from there. Doesn’t that seem reasonable?

  18. RC
    October 10th, 2008

    These initiatives are quietly awesome.

    I really like the idea of “This investing vehicle” in 5a2(iii). A vehicle that was aimed at providing some seed capital for NZ Inc business that need capital expenditure for growth, and then it would be great if its mandate had included a 2-5 year horizon to IPO as the business needed more funding.

    On the expat tax issue, as a late 20’s employee that hasn’t travelled yet I don’t hold a resentment factor. Have the mindset of “look what their getting, I am getting nothing”. The concept would need working out, maybe the discount in tax break is flowed through into kiwisaver, or even student loans if you have them.

    Expats returning to work here though would bring huge amounts of knowledge, this knowledge is one of reasons kiwis travel abroad and if it can be taught or learnt here then OE’s will shorten in length. If this drives growth, then growth drives wages, the other reason to go on an OE and stay for 5 years+. OE’s then become a 6 month to 1 year excursion, and then maybe everyone does 2 or 3 of them over 20 years, aka extended holidays.

  19. Gareth
    October 10th, 2008

    I’ll add to the congrats for putting out bold yet thoughtful policy. I’d say I agree with 80-ish% of it, but have particular interest in how you suggest dealing with these “issues”:
    1. The 20% tax-rate for returning Kiwis would still likely see them paid less than they could receive in Aus/Singapore etc – as such we’d risk wearing the opportunity cost of those who’d have returned regardless, and provided no real incentive for those considering Aus instead. An analysis of the required increase to make the policy a net benefit would certainly be useful
    2. How to deal with the “weening” of these measures in 24 months time – at the very least clear cut-off dates (with possible weening periods) with commitment to see them through are necessary. But given the uphill battle to see any change occur now, I’m not convinced that we could transition again in 2 years time.
    3. There has already been comments made around the tendency of international firms to up and leave at the end of a reduced-tax period. Strategies to avoid race to the bottom outcomes would be useful.
    4. Many of these have tax revenue impacts – a rough analysis of those impacts makes it more useful to decide if the cost to social programs is worth the benefit.

    Well done though all involved, if only we could transition think-tank to action-tank!

  20. Angus
    October 10th, 2008

    I am not sure that a tax concession for returning expats will make any difference. My brother, sister and I all went overseas (all now aged around 60). I stayed 11 years, my sister 15 and my brother won’t return. Of my children, one is overseas and one is planning to go. With the exception of my sister, we are all graduates and worked in our area of training. We went because of opportunity and we came back because it was time. I talked with two 27 yr old graduates last night – they are overseas because of the opportunity, not because of the tax or a student loan. And they will return when it is time. And time is usually driven by opportunity or by family. People go to Australia because of the opportunity (perhaps the climate), not because of tax. Imagine the bureaucracy required to monitor those who qualify. We need to stop playing around the edges. The tax cuts of both parties do little except provide politicians with something to attack each other. Is there a single voter who is jumping for joy because of either tax package?
    I agree with the provisional tax because it is easy to administer but I cannot agree with the R&D tax concession because it will be costly to administer. We need a tax system that has a single rate, rewards saving, encourages people to take responsibility for themselves, and is easy to administer.
    The current style of government is destroying this country with valueless regulation and a total disregard for the needs of ordinary, hard working New Zealanders, i.e. access to education and health care and a society where people who work hard, bring up their children responsibly, and don’t set out to break the law don’t feel they have been forgotten. This election we should all refuse to vote or we should be allowed to vote abstain (not original – I read it somewhere) to let the politicians know how we feel. We need policies that jump start New Zealand, not the same old vote based policy.
    Will the concessional tax rate apply to rugby players returning? What about a concessional tax for those who promise not to go overseas? I promise not to go overseas if I pay less tax.
    Even if I don’t agree with the returning expat tax, we need to start the debate and I commend you for doing so.

  21. Mike Shaw
    October 10th, 2008

    In addition to the work undertaken, here are some additional incremental steps in relation to tax issues to assist the economy:
    1 Relax use of money interest rates
    2 Allow more taxpayer to use the cash basis of accounting for GST (i.e. allow them to defer GST until they have actually got the cash. This could be reasonably helpful as debtors become slow to pay suppliers etc!)
    3 Allow deductions for provisions for bad debts. Deductions are only allowed when debts are written off as non recoverable by balance date. A middle of the road option would be to allow a deduction for bad debts if the debt become bad by the time the corporate is required to file its tax return (or perhaps within 6 months of balance date). This will obviously benefit the banks as all other taxpayers.
    4 Allow deductions for accruals of holiday pay (deductions are only allowed if the accrued holiday pay is paid out with 63 days of balance date)
    5 If full write of capital assets is too expensive, why not increase the depreciation deductions (i.e. double the depreciation etc)
    6 Allow unincorporated businesses (like many farmers and small SMEs) to incorporate their business with No tax cost (i.e. don’t tax depreciation recoveries, gains on stock etc). This means that money reinvested in their business can be taxed at a maximum of 30% (currently such business face tax rates of 33% and 39%).

  22. Scott St John
    October 10th, 2008

    Mark and John-we are fortunate to have you commiting time and effort to floating these ideas. Perhaps the absense of political leadership in this area is in part a consequence of the three year political term-too much time is spent throwing stones from one side of the House at the other.
    Whilst the broader public is aware of the immediate movements in financial markets, I am not convinced that the broader consequences of what is happening is well understood. The contraction in credit markets will see unprecidented credit rationing-including in this part of the world. Banks will be recapitalising for some time regardless of where markets price equities.
    I am particularly attracted to the Temasek model suggested in your paper. Our SOE structure seems to be largely a consequence of assets that were natural monopolies when they were formed. It was natural for the Government to fund and own them. However time has moved on. They form a large part of the productive economy. However a structure that had the right framwork (determined up front) may well provide a platform to truely optimise the contribution these assets make to New Zealand. Rotating some of this capital into other natural monopolies that we do not currently have would seem entirely sensible.

  23. Murray
    October 10th, 2008

    Good to see some bold thought coming through. I do have some concerns with some of the strategies:

    1. I fear that deferring provisional tax will cause a major funding problem for firms when it comes to catch up time at the end of the deferral. Many find it easier to manage cash flow on a ‘pay as you go’ basis than having a big hump to deal with later.

    2. The R & D tax credit has, between legislators & IRD, been screwed down so tightly that it will be more effective in generating fees for tax advisers than it will be in stimulating additional investment in R & D. If the ‘incentive’ is to be meaningful, the regime needs to be reworked.

    3. As much as I agree with the view that we must change the culture of investment in real property, it’s incorrect to say there is a bias in favour of investment in housing. Arguably, the opposite is the case. There are situations under which investment in real property will give rise to taxable gains which is not the case for any other types of investments.

    With a bit of luck the recession will burn off the obsession so many have had with investment in real estate. I might add that the probelm is not only limited to the housing sector. The prices paid for much rural land can not be justified on the basis of the return from farming it.

    4. Firms that can move here easily to take a tax holiday can presumably just as easily move on when the holiday is over. Perhaps some thought needs to go into how we can encourage them to stay beyong the holiday period.

  24. KR
    October 10th, 2008

    Gareth suggests transition think tank into action tank.
    Wouldn’t that be great!

    Well, why not NZX? Lead the charge. A big brainstorming session lead by the people (rather than politicians)…big business, small business and a few others come up with the plan to get us out of the mess quicker than the rest.

  25. Sam Bejjani
    October 10th, 2008

    Why politicians never suggest these ideas I will never know – instead we get policies that seem to perpetuate the issues and the mediocrity that is fast becoming our trademark.

    I see merit in all the recommendations of the report, but I completely and whole-heartedly support the sale of SOEs. We know that as things stand, these companies are not the most productive, and why would they be when there is no accountability to shareholders and therefore no focus on performance. Being more productive is something we need to get better at doing and this needs to happen fast.

    Selling SOEs in a way that prevents or limits overseas ownership will allay the fears of the masses, while providing a much needed boost to our capital markets, giving New Zealanders the opportunity to share in the success and profit from assets other than property. Assets that are actually economically productive and would therefore provide a positive contribution to economic growth and our standard of living. Furthermore, this would put more focus on performance through more accountability to all stakeholders but especially shareholders.

    The capital unlocked and raised from the listing of SOEs could then be used to invest in our infrastructure, ideally through PPPs.

    The suggestion to bring Kiwis back home is not likely to work in my opinion. And if it does, it is likely to only be temporary. Listening to the reasons why so many of us leave NZ, you quickly realise that the issues are far more deeply rooted than we think. A tax break would be nothing more than a band-aid solution if we could not change our mindset and embrace success (i.e. drop the tall poppy syndrome) as well as technology as the means to get our productivity up to levels within the top of the OECD. This means businesses being more willing to spend money to make money, which of course is helped by healthy capital markets, and banks whose credit policies recognise the value in assets beyond property.

    As part of changing our mindset, we need to reward those willing to take a risk and think outside the box, which is why i also agree with the suggestion around R&D. Saying that, the status quo has room for improvement.

    By making ‘risk’ a dirty word, we end up too scared to try new things, instead taking existing ideas and repackaging them as something new, when the end result will be exactly the same. Clearly this is a memo aspiring Prime Ministers did not get.

    Sam

  26. Michele
    October 10th, 2008

    Short Term:
    There is little difference between luring kiwis home and creating an environment where kiwis would prefer not to leave. skewing policy to lure kiwis home might equally cause a number to want to leave because they feel undervalued, or cause individuals that were thinking of leaving to fully commit to leaving because there is an incentive to RETURN not to REMAIN

    Stop investing 2 billion/year into the cullen fund. Use that capital to enact the document policies.

    Medium Term:
    Scrap the Cullen fund and use the funds to promote growth as per the policies. In the case of kiwico, this option would be favourable to part privatising (25%) as this would be snapped up by overseas investors.

    Long term:
    the ruling class knows exactly what needs to be done economically, but their focus is gaining power, not elaborating sensible economic policy. He is churning out popularist policies in order to get elected.
    Create a political system where politicians can do what is right, and not have to do what is popular (impose STV electoral system?

    Reduce the size of govt and the portion of the economy that the govt contributes to. Get the govt out of our lives, Reduce red tape

    Do something (what though?) to stabilize the currency. would an overseas company do business here when the exchange can vary from .58 USD to .80 USD every couple of years?

  27. Jane
    October 10th, 2008

    Peggy Noonan, the best political writer in America, wrote today at the end of her column in the WSJ that:

    “It is asking a lot to ask a political animal to be thoughtful, because they find meaning in action. They are propelled through life by the force of their hunger. But now and then you want to see them think. You want to see them speak the truth. This is one of those times.”

    Well. We are not getting any of this from Helen Clark or John Key, nor Cullen or English, so great job by these guys to go outside the square and have a go at coming up with solutions.

    It really is sad how small the square our political parties are dancing in really is. Be interesting to see if any of them are big enough to stop attacking each other over stuff we don’t care about, and admit they need some help to figure out what the solutions are (and neither meaningless tax cuts nor “trust me, I’ve been here for 9 years” ring any bells for me)

  28. Falafulu Fisi
    October 11th, 2008

    Excellent for starting this blog.

    May I suggest to Mark Weldon & NZX about the format of documents posted on NZX site for listed companies, such as news, disclosure information, etc,… to be made easier please, so that softbot & crawler software can automatically read the market sentiments to deduce/induce useful information in real-time? Best format is in textfile or HTML page, but PDF is a bit more difficult for information extraction & parsing by softbots. This will allow for those of us who are intending to develop (or currently developing) such softbots to test our software & evaluate how good its automated extracted opinions are compared to those of a human financial analyst.

    “If you’re reading this, it’s too late: a machine got here first,” (The Financial Times, April 16, 2007)
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/bb570626-ebb6-11db-b290-000b5df10621.html

    The market sentiment softbot named Warren (Buffet) developed at Carnegie Mellon University, has been reported to achieve a satisfactory result in its ability to extract useful information from financial news sites.

    “Financial News Analysis for Intelligent Portfolio Management”
    http://www.ri.cmu.edu/pub_files/pub4/seo_young_woo_2004_2/seo_young_woo_2004_2.pdf

    Market sentiment analysis softbots are already being deployed live by some vendors in the financial market industries and it will become more common over time.

    I hope that NZX will take a look at my suggestion and see if it is something that is doable.

  29. CC
    October 11th, 2008

    Great paper and agree with all prev responses that now is the time to hold our heads up and think through the problems and issues rather than bury them in the sand. The dependence on an open economy like NZ on overseas funding and capital means that we need to recognise the influences (positive and negative) this has on our economy. Funding for NZ enterprise and NZ govt will dramatically contract and we will no longer be able to sell plots of land in Queenstown or borrow cheaply to fund an expanded govt sector to make up for the lack of productive investment and achievement in our productive economies.

    I am an Irish man resident in NZ and while Ireland has had its own issues over the past 18 months, due to an oversized fincl sector (who would ever have thought this would be an advantage for NZ), two tax based initiatives that have served the Irish economy well and should be considered in NZ are:
    * in contrast to the two year honeymoon proposal, would pref to see permanently lower corporate tax rate for overseas businesses locating into NZ making a commitment for a defined number of years (could we get Aus businesses to locate into NZ and maybe list on our markets giving kiwis ownership over Aus assets). Proposing permanently lower rates as key is how you keep these companies once honeymoon ends – businesses need to have sustainable rationale for a base here. Sustained lower tax rates for bus that otherwise would not be here is the only way to go.
    * lower corporate tax rate for exporters or entities in strategic sector that NZ needs or wants to be great at (agri, technology)

    If people feel this is somehow unfair (as many initially did in Ireland), should these initiatives succeed and the spinoff benefits of an expanded economic pie, then they soon change their tune. While man could say, well look at where Ireland is now or where the Aussies might go, we in NZ should look at both economies and ask what positives can we pick up from them i.e. rather than pronouncing ‘We don’t know how luck we are”, we should be asking “how luck can we be?”.

    One other tactical benefit, speaking of an over or under sized financial sector is that when the bank crisis does really hit home in Aus and their big banks are forced to look at their most strategic assets and offerings, what better oppty could there be for some clever Kiwis to take back banks or banking market share and bring back this most strategically vital of sectors. Isn’t this how we lost a couple of them in the first place? Would love to see (and hell yes, even own a few shares in) a bank which funded a rapidly expanding kiwi economy BECAUSE we answered in a proactive manner the tough questions posed in this paper.

  30. Christine Addison
    October 11th, 2008

    Regarding suspending provisional tax payments – that is a bit worrying, as the eventual tax bill could become a huge burden – another hole to dig out from – but it would be excellent if IRD could simply be persuaded not to charge use of money interest on underpaid provisional tax payments – and also reduce the threshold at which all entities – individuals and non-individuals – become liable for provisional tax (RIT $2500), which has not been shifted since 1989. Use of money interest rates have become extremely punitive – in some cases it is now cheaper to borrow money on a credit card – and is difficult to avoid without significantly overpaying provisional tax. To me, this is one of the biggest strangleholds on business today, and it hardly ever gets a mention.

  31. Rowan & Lucy at NZX
    October 11th, 2008

    @ Jerry Flay

    An NZX Blog has been discussed internally for some time – but the decision to launch it was based around the release of “Swan Dive or Belly Flop” and the need to engage broadly around these ideas.

    However, to your question, we do have a long term commitment to this blog. We hope you are right that it has great potential as a forum. As to where it goes, and how it evolves, the blog will be demand rather than supply driven – i.e we do not see it as a brochure to advertise the NZX market, but potentially as a place where debate such as is now occurring can be facilitated, and great ideas generated. But – as to the details of how it evolves, we would be keen to hear your ideas

  32. Jane
    October 11th, 2008

    Amazing stuff yet again overnight. G7 and US announce they are buying into (read control and direct) banks and financial institutions. This crisis is real and getting bigger and scarier.

    If our media cannot get our politicians to focus on this, and be accountable for responding to it, including the proposals from NZX and NZ Inst, then the media are as bad as the politicians. Did you see the Editorial in the DomPost today for god’s sake: going on about some man shortage in Kapiti or some such nonsense that I couldn’t even read and should be in the funny pages. It is garbage journalism like this that allows our politicians to conduct increasingly irrelevant sniping and debates and avoid coming up with strategies to deal with the real issues our economy faces. To be fair, the Herald at least had some coverage today of the NZX thing, and Fran O’Sullivan’s article was great, and so was the Editorial in the Herald about the RBNZ – so at this stage I will keep my comments to the DomPost and Fairfax

  33. Juha
    October 11th, 2008

    @Jane – specialised business programmes like ASB Business have been covering the crisis quite comprehensively. As for the rest of media, its foreign owners subject editorial departments to a sinking-lid policy of cost-cutting that devalues debate an analysis, as institutional memory and expertise is forced out in favour of cheaper juniors producing salacious, gossipy churnalism. In face of that, why would any politician feel accountable?

  34. Falafulu Fisi
    October 11th, 2008

    Jane said…
    Did you see the Editorial in the DomPost today for god’s sake, going on about some man shortage in Kapiti.

    I agree here, DomPost journalists are interested in putting up irrelevant stories on the front page rather than interesting ones. Example was a front page describing how amazing the psychics from Sensing Murder show. DomPost journalists are fascinated with mysticism rather than reporting or hunting for real news.

  35. James
    October 11th, 2008

    Having taking a NZ service business (people + broadband connection) overseas it is laughable to see the obsession with either attracting overseas businesses to NZ or getting expat kiwis back – while ignoring existing NZ businesses (who should pack up and join us overseas!).
    At best there are suggestions for tax incentives for particular (e.g. export) businesses, while other businesses pay full tax rates (30% at the corporate level, but 39% when distributed).
    Temporary tax holidays won’t get back skilled people who can move offshore and incorporate their businesses in low tax or no tax countries. (So a “tax holiday” returning to NZ would be an increase.)
    Businesses, wealthy and talented people will continue to leave NZ’s high tax, welfare state where “tall poppies” are not welcome.

  36. B Jolly
    October 11th, 2008

    I am bored by this blog already.

    If every one that posts on here would stick to facts and list points instead of telling their long stories it would be good.

    This is serious stuff, so forget about your egos some of you, and if you have something that may really make a difference or contribute then say so in less wordy ways.

  37. KR
    October 11th, 2008

    Yes – the standard of journalism leaves a lot to be desired in this country. 100% agree. Don’t forget, most journalists have strengths in english literature, not business or science.
    But we digress people! It is time for focus…on an economic plan to get us out of this mess. So, good ideas for economic policy spring forth please…how about a tax incentive for businesses that maintain current headcount (to stem the sure-tide of redundancies on the horizon) and an even bigger incentive for those businesses that increase headcount in the upcoming tough economic times?

  38. Tony J
    October 11th, 2008

    Think the Tamesek idea is great. NZ needs something other than Fonterra at scale. This will test the politicians though. The realist in me thinks that the only reason Labor do not change the legislative framework around SOEs is because, as they are, they are “saleable” and thus they can go into that tired old box of fishing tackle every three years and use the “threat” of sale in politcal arena. It then forces National into a corner of supporting Labour policy because they are so poll-driven rather than leadership-driven that they will not rock the boat. To be clear, if the SOEs could not feasibly be sold, Labour lose a big plank in their toolbox. They clearly value the toolbox over the long-term outcomes, otherwise they would have done something innovative to create permanent long-term ownership, rather than “long-term ownership based on who is governing” – which is really short-term ownership. This is hypocritical of Labour – if they really cared about NZ they would create a genuine long-term answer, instead of making it a political plank

    Well, if Labor really care, and Helen Clark says she does, lets be really bipartisan on this one, and suggest a Tamesek type vehicle like these guys put forward, that is agreed with National, and the quid pro quo is some legislation that locks up cornerstone/majority NZ govt holding in perpetuity. A lot of companies have super-majority provisions in their constitutions, so why not here – require some % vote greater than 50% – or allow a U.S style Fiiibuster vote from minorities if they are less than, say, 35% of the House. Someone else can figure out the details of how this would work in the House, but it could clearly work in the real world. And it would be great if this could happen. We could move on – the whole thing is so tired, we need some fresh thinking.

  39. Jerry Flay
    October 12th, 2008

    OK – here’s what I would do.
    First, I do not think you can treat the economy in isolation. That will only exacerbate the problem.

    Any strategy for NZ should also take into account other key sectors – Law and Order, Health, Infrastructure, Education etc.

    So I would set up a forum with separate sections for each of these. Then, through online debate, agree on the main issues, problems and goals. This will lead to an identification of the key areas requiring solutions and strategies.

    Again, through online debate, achieve concensus for which solutions and strategies should form policy. This will lead to the effective creation of a draft manifesto, which once again can be debated and revised accordingly.
    What then happens to this manifesto is a moot point – presenting it to any political party will mean that at best it gets cherrypicked and integrated into that party’s own agenda.

    The only logical progression would be for the architects of the document to form their own party, use the internet as a means of campaigning and see what happens. If the policies within are genuinely arrived at by intelligent debate and citizen concensus, then why not take the plunge?

    But….. ongoing debate amongst people who have no intention of doing anything other than debating is fairly pointless and will dry up very quickly

  40. Tony J
    October 12th, 2008

    Two more things:

    1. On Provisional tax, do not think this should apply to Australian banks. What about making it for NZ domiciled companies, or something like that. This would make it more affordable. Focus on SMEs and local companies, not global multinationals?

    2. On Funds idea, why not put VIF, GIF (?) and other government Private Equity funds in the at scale funds enterprise as well?

  41. DM
    October 12th, 2008

    I support the suggestions made. As a small business owner who has spent 6 years abroad my priorities are about survival first most, and second using the opportunity to improve productivity, attract talented staff (if I could find some money to pay them) and to position for the future. I think the ideas – especially the focus on easing business cashflow in the short-term, attracting people to NZ and increasing NZ’s capital pool are great. Our banks are relatively sound so we have quite different problems to the rest of the world. My concern is how can this be made real? We NZers are very passive. Do you intend to lobby the incumbent government in a meaningful and co-ordinated way. How can we all help?

  42. Tamaki
    October 12th, 2008

    I totally agree that New Zealand needs a coordinated policy to retain its current businesses and to attract more to relocate here. It would appear an obvious strategy to kick-start growth. Both Keys and Clarke appear non-interested in the flight of NZ companies from our shore – (Example F&P Appliances!)

    We risk following the USA in transforming from a nation of producers and spenders to a nation of borrowers and spenders. Its productive sector has relocated to Asia.

    Hopefully one of the political parties will pick up some of these ideas and refresh their manifestos.

  43. Trisha
    October 13th, 2008

    After the weekend, with Nats saying nothing (so weak – they are losing a real leadership opportunity that should play to their strengths) and Labour getting better headlines but doing nothing either – we need to pressure them somehow to adopt some of these, or other ideas

  44. Jeff
    October 13th, 2008

    Great initiative, and love the idea aroungd KiwiCo. For too long the SOE’s have been the elephant in the room. This great idea provides for Government contrtol and an investment vehicle for NZ’ers….Well done.

  45. Boot
    October 13th, 2008

    Good call for action and a timely reminder how apathetic & complacent our two main political parties have become. I find myself agreeing to these suggestions with the exception that returning NZ’ers & new immigrants should be given favourable tax treatment – that would be an insult to all other taxpayers. Instead, the entire definition of “taxable income” in NZ needs to be redefined for ALL NZ tax residents regardless how long one has lived here. “Taxable income” should follow the Singapore model where only locally sourced income is taxed (company profits, wages/salaries), anything else is tax-exempt, period. Why on earth would somebody want to return to NZ and become subject to tax on all investment income no matter where in the world it’s held, after already having paid tax at source once? It’s an insult to tax interest earned on a savings account, again after the fact that the funds going into the accounts are NET of tax in the first place. Eliminate all the double whammy taxes and encourage tax free savings/investments, get rid of taxes on foreign exchange gains so that NZ savers are incentivised to have a diverse portfolio of currencies & asset classes.

  46. Michele
    October 13th, 2008

    I mentioned below the fact that our leaders know exactly what to do, or at least know whom to ask for good advice. They don’t ever act on it or even mention it as it is not politically expediant in our current electoral system. Therefore:

    Medium Term:
    Form an “Economic Council” which is tasked with getting the country to make the most profit possible and are free from political influence. Not unlike the RB Act from 1994 but with a wider remit. Their instruments would be the IRD and SOE’s. It’s members would be the leading macro economic technicians of the day and would not be political appointments.

    Remove this from the political debate and leave the politicians to decide WHAT to do with the profits rather than how to use the profits to get elected.

    I know this may be seen as anti democratic by some, but our current political system is deeply flawed as the citizens of onehunga/johnsonville are asked to vote on matters of high macro economic complexity. Our system works if ALL the constituents understand the economic instruments they are voting for/against (unlikely).

  47. Tex
    October 13th, 2008

    Ideas to stimulate the NZ Economy

    1) conduct a survey into the economic dead weight loss of NZ monopolies and consider adjusting competition policy to facilitate more competition in capital intensive business in NZ

    2) review section 36 of the commerce act -

    3) force all returning Kiwi expats who want tax breaks on thier capital to break up monopolies rather than reinforce them on their return to NZ

    4) drive a domestic asset allocation culture amoungst the NZ investing public , so a 401k culture develops rather than a real estate obsession

    cheers

    Tex

  48. Stacey at NZX
    October 13th, 2008

    @ Falafulu Fisi

    Great comment. In addition to PDF forms, we provide short form ASCII text based formats presented in HTML coding (which ASX do not) – this should be sufficient to meet the tech needs.  We are, for example, working with Reuters currently to develop their Newscope algo news trading product for NZ markets. If there is more we can do with nzx.com, the best way to let us know the technical details is to contact Jason (Jason.Shaw@nzx.com) or on more bespoke data product offerings myself (stacey.campbell@nzx.com).

  49. Shelley H
    October 13th, 2008

    I applaud Weldon & Skilling’s initiative and I trust that our political leaders will finally rise to the challenge. The world financial crisis may prove to be a ‘wake up call’ for the consumer-driven west. In a very short space of time, it will motivate more people to review their values and change their lifestyle. While this may not be good for some businesses, New Zealand has a fabulous opportunity to attract thinking, educated migrants from the developed world who would like to make a fresh start in a country with a reputation for being clean and green. Why not target the US for more migrants? Unlike the Brits, Americans do not traditionally immigrate in large numbers but recent events may change this behaviour. As an immigrant myself, I know how attractive New Zealand looks to someone living and working in a heavily populated city on the other side of the world. The suggested two year waiver of tax for new companies is a good idea but I don’t think individuals should be given special tax treatment. Delaying provisional tax would be helpful, however. I also applaud the suggestion to review the allocation of taxpayer funded savings institutions (NZ Super, ACC etc) and increase the proportion invested in New Zealand to benefit the national interest. A review of ‘orthodox investment and portfolio allocation criteria’ is well overdue.

  50. Jaks Mantel
    October 13th, 2008

    There is hard power (to make rules), and soft power (the ability to bring people along, (and most importantly, get ideas taken up). You can see how G W Bush has lost the later, and the first is now useless in his hands. The problem we have with National is that they are focused on winning hard power, but, even if they do, they will not have any soft power when they do so. Maybe Nats have been in a regulation-driven environment that all they can think of is more/less/different regulation, rather than realizing that at times like this is about leadership and ideas. I am traditionally a National supporter, living in Sydney, but give them 1/10 for their response so far – and it is not like they don’t have opportunities. Unless they buck up their game, my vote is gone. Take some of these ideas up for gods sake, or come up with something, but stop trying not to lose this election (any tennis player who tries not to lose, as opposed to trying to win, inevitably ends up losing b.c their mind is in the wrong place), and give us something to come home to

  51. Mark Weldon
    October 13th, 2008

    Already many suggestions, critiques and refinements that will improve the set of recommendations. Really good. Some examples include:

    Raid on global talent (Miki’s phrase, which we like) – seen as clearly being good for the country. But, concerns in some quarters around equity with people who have stayed here, and a need to ensure that those who do come back, come back for a longer term than any incentives apply for. One idea that has come through is to give returning Kiwi’s a tax break for two years, but to have that extra income put into a Kiwisaver scheme that is locked up, and which they lose if they leave within five years of returning. This could be one of two options available to returners, the other being to write off student loan debt to the same amount, for those that return in the next 12 months, but only after they have stayed here for 5 years.

    Same issues around tax breaks for corporate tax for firms that relocate here. Reality is that the easiest targets for New Zealand to pick off will be Australian, and therefore quite easy for them to leave again (not costless, but not a killer). Just need to lock-in a contractual obligation for them to repay the unpaid tax (plus interest) if they leave, or reduce staff to skeleton levels, within a 5 year period.

    R&D. Strong views that the anti-avoidance and other compliance requirements put in by IRD have mostly managed to create a new industry for tax professionals…but, some firms have relied on this, borne the cost, and will be really hurt, at exactly the wrong time, by pulling the credit now. At a time we are going into global recession, with most of these firms export focused (i.e selling into softening markets), to yank this without phasing it out is seen as potentially fatal to some firms. One idea, is that, for firms that take advantage of it in 2009, to allow phasing out over 3 years, with no new firms, or projects within firms, able to be phased in. Broad preference though for government to rethink the focus on anti-avoidance, make it cleaner, and have it do what it is meant to do – it is not the idea of an R&D credit that is the issue, it is the effectiveness of it.

    There are real legs in the scale ideas of a Tamasek-like vehicle, and in bringing our various government funds vehicles (including VIF, GIF, etc) under one roof, to allow more scale, greater local focus on lumpy local bets, and as a long-term cornerstone shareholder. Real recognition that something needs to be done like this, and soon. Growing sense that we can do something meaningful and productive with SOEs and keep them New Zealand owned. One interesting e-mail suggested that the only reason Labour do not change the legislative framework around SOEs is because, as they are, they are “saleable” and thus they can go into that tired old box of fishing tackle every three years and use the “threat” of sale in the political arena at election time. Well, if Labour really care about outcomes, lets be really bipartisan on this one, and get all parties to agree to amend legislation around a Tamasek type vehicle, with strict limits on the ability to change it in the future. We need to keep thinking and get more ideas on this.

    Provisional tax. Effective, sensible use of government balance sheet to smooth and de-risk but not subsidise. Some concerns that firms with no internal disciplines may be hurt by one large sum at the end of the year. In this case we should allow firms to choose to pay provisional tax, but, as many have pointed out, get rid of use of money interest penalties and the uplift provisions. As Tony says, with probable falling profits it is penal to expect businesses to have to pay tax on last year’s income plus a percentage uplift. Until we are back in a growth cycle, this needs to be shelved. Also a need to increase the threshold at which provisional tax is paid – seen as way too low at this point. Finally, a question as to whether this should be limited to New Zealand domiciled companies – interested in thoughts on this. In the seasons that are coming, cash flow is king.

    Some have pointed out that 100% depreciation was used in UK a few years ago and worked then, provided assets are identified and there is a tax claw-back on sales of those assets which have been given the 100% allowance.

    Keep the ideas and critiques coming.

    Mark

  52. Roger P
    October 13th, 2008

    I would add – short term – we need to be sure we can cover the funding renewals our banks need to make every 90 days. The banks here lend long (years) but half the funding is short (90 days); and comes from offshore. At present top credit rated borrowers can not get credit. If our banks get turned away there will be an immediate and major crisis. We need a clear contingency plan for funding our immediate banking liabilities if they do suddenly fall due.

    Longer term – I see the challenge is to optimize our assets and capital better as a country. That means shifting them out of property e.g. even more measures than you suggested to deflate the property bubble like capital gains tax on investment property. Also counter-balancing incentives for productive investments and enterprise (as you’ve outline for attracting companies in, capital expenditure, R&D tax breaks, skills creation and attraction).

  53. Jens Meder
    October 13th, 2008

    With David Skilling, I believe the future of Western Civilisation is with the Ownership Society, defined through at least a minimally meaningful level of personal wealth ownership by all citizens eventually (About $300 000 now).
    Please comment on the following policies & sums, whether this could turn our expected years of recession & budget deficits into accelerated development at reduced Forex deficits:
    1. Amend the NZSF into a permanent institution, and allocate it to PAs (Personal Accounts) – a relatively simple task, with the oldest age group (60 – 64), as the longest time contributors, credited with the highest accounts, say, $9000.- each. (After the initial allocation, a PA would grow as a proportion of taxes paid, by a token sum even for those without taxable income, based on an average GST value for low level consumers).
    2. From the 65th birthday during the 1st year of NZSF PA introduction, this $9000.- would finance its owners NZ super until consumed, at which point our hand-to-mouth PAYGO system would take over automatically, with no means testing or other complications involved – releasing this amount of taxation revenue for spending (or whatever) in other areas.
    3. Over a certain number of years, the PAs of higher and middle income earners would finance all or most of their NZSuper, totally eliminating the case for means testing or surcharging, and visibly contributing to solving the demographic retirement cost problem of NZ Super entitlement at age 65 – and if the current accumulation rate of approximately 2% of GDPper annum proves not to be enough for that, political approval to raise the accumulation rate should not be impossible after the benefits of a higher savings culture have been experienced.(In the case of death before a PA has been consumed, it would be part of its owner’s estate. Together with KiwiSavings, a PA would also be available towards 1st home mortgage reapyment.
    4. Since this would be a very slow initiation towards meaningful ownership by lower income earners, Dr. Skillings proposal of a $1000.- super account for all newborn babies could be introduced as a $1000.- KiwiSaver incentive to all qualifying citizens with say, at least 10 years residence in NZ – AS AN INITIALLY PASSIVE KS Account within the NZSF, separate from the normal PA, but returning the same profit or loss – until activated by its owner either within or without the NZSF.
    5. If done simultaneously with the NZSF PA allocation, it would not cost the taxpayer a cent extra, but even reduce some outlay, because – if there were 4 million people qualifying for this initial incentive – there are not, and several 100 000 are enrolled already – 4 million $1000.- KS accounts would require $4 billion of the $14billion NZSF being reserved for KS accounts, leaving still $10billion for PA allocation.
    So, in subsequent years, the perhaps 30 000 per annum newly KSaver Account qualifying citizens would be “peanuts” compared to the # of KS accounts opened in 2007/08.
    6. When NZSF Guardians are mandated to invest a substantial proportion of the NZSF in NZ – incuding LOW INTEREST INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCE – and possibly converting as much foreign debt as prudent and possible into domestic debt, thereby reducing the Forex deficit & keeping the interest at home – wouldn’t that all turn the expected recession into a constructive, wealth and taxable income creative period of growth and full employment?
    7. Would it not be substantial relief to repay the infrastructure debt to our own NZ Super cash flow in 1 transaction, instead of paying the same sum twice, when the infrastructure loan has to be repaid (possibly at a higher interest rate) to private and possibly foreign investors ?

  54. Boot
    October 14th, 2008

    Further to my comments above on the need to redefine “taxable income” and having it applied on a level playing field for all NZ residents no matter where they’re from and how long they’ve been here, I also support the idea of further reducing income tax thresholds on wages/salaries, balanced by heavier taxes on polluters. This brings me to my main criticism of your report, it fails completely to address another crisis NZ and ROW is facing, and it’s very much linked to the economy – climate change/global warming. World governments, The World Bank, IMF are overly obsessed with growth, with GDP being the benchmark measurement. Well tell me, what is the point of having growth for growth’s sake when it’s at the expense of the planet? No planet = no economy, that’s not rocket science. Unless the planet recognizes that resources are finite and that all growth has to be sustainable, any attempt to fix the current financial crisis is ultimately futile. The GDP equation needs to be redefined. As an example, tobacco sales are included in GDP. We all know the link between tobacco and poor health which will eventually add pressure to an already overloaded health system…that’s not true growth. The yet to be felt effects of climate change/global warming warrant as much, if not more, attention and call for action than the current financial crisis. Your report fails to address the strong correlation between the environment and economy. As Bob Brown of the Australian Greens once said “The economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment”.

  55. Jens Meder
    October 14th, 2008

    Boot – while I agree that small savings accounts (perhaps for children & youths up to a certain age and value) should not be taxed, I am not certain at all about exempting all overseas income – because shouldn’t all NZ residents contribute towards the costs of running the country, if they want to live here?
    You are right in NO PLANET – NO ECONOMY, and I hope our Business Roundtable and economists have learned the lesson, that what might look like economic growth through (excessive speculation) investment on credit, is undesirable and ultimately punished by “the hidden hand” anyhow.
    But do you realise, that with the world population as large as it is, the only way towards a greener and cleaner world with hopes for acceptable living standards for most (or all?) eventually, is through a higher and widening rate of possibly lower profitability investment, especially in distant and small NewZealand? (And population stability.)
    So, our most basic priority is a widening and higher savings (for investment in sustainability) culture, to enable priority choices among all the mostly only marginally influental proposals in this forum so far.
    (Example: Freely consumable tax reductions are a less effective way towards an increasing and widening savings culture, than a direct tax rebate converted directly into investment wealth ownership, when the NZSF is allocated to Personal Accounts – debate welcome.)
    Do you see allocation of theNZSF to PAs as helpful towards what you see as needed, and why or why not?

  56. KR
    October 14th, 2008

    Obama released his USA Economic Rescue Plan today at http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#jumpstart and it has some great ideas in it including the very familiar sounding:

    Support Small Business
    Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama and Joe Biden will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation. Obama and Biden will also support small business owners by providing a $500 “Making Work Pay” tax credit to almost every worker in America. Self-employed small business owners pay both the employee and the employer side of the payroll tax, and this measure will reduce the burdens of this double taxation.

    Another couple of ideas I particularly like are:

    End Tax Breaks for Companies that Send Jobs Overseas: Barack Obama and Joe Biden believe that companies should not get billions of dollars in tax deductions for moving their operations overseas. Obama and Biden will also fight to ensure that public contracts are awarded to companies that are committed to American workers.

    Reward Companies that Support American Workers: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 with Senators Richard Durbin (D-IL) and Sherrod Brown (D-OH) to reward companies that create good jobs with good benefits for American workers. The legislation would provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America if it has ever been in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

  57. Jens Meder
    October 14th, 2008

    KR – how does all this relate to our prospect of many years of deficit budgets ahead?
    As a small businessman before retirement 17 years ago I no doubt would have appreciated lower taxation, but it would only have boosted my consumption and debt repayment, not new, direct employment by me. The point is , there would be more capital for investment created through taxes converted into investment directly as through KiwSavers & the NZ Super Fund, than through freely consumable tax reductions. True and relevant, or not?

  58. Michele
    October 14th, 2008

    @Jens
    Part of the problem here is the nanny state labour have cultivated to gather power around them. I would prefer to see money remain in workers pay packets rather than recycle them through government filters to send them where the ruling class of the day deem worthy.

    We survive underage binge drinking, unsafe sex practices, bull rush, our parents, our siblings and catholic priests to finally make it to adult hood (at 18) only to have an unqualified, unelected (list seats) powerhound decide where the cash we work for should go? I would give more credit to 90% of the population. Give people the disposable income they work hard for, and make it easy for them to do the right thing.

    - Charging people a fair amount of tax (not 39%+gst) and aligning business tax and top band tax (30%?) would help reduce inefficient investment practices (trusts etc)
    - Taxing all investments fairly (housing/overseas shares etc) would help drive money to investments based on merit not tax avoidance.

    Regarding your points on the NZSF fund: I think they are all very good and well thought out, though I would prefer to see the 2 Billion contribution/year cease AND the existing fund disbanded with the money used on growth projects to help “grow the pie”, including infrastructure, venture capital etc.

  59. Ricky
    October 14th, 2008

    Congratulations Mark/David. Good to have a great forum.

    1. I agree with Alex Fala (above) on tax breaks for returning kiwis. It in itself will not bring NZers back. Kiwis returning is usually of circumstances that are beyond income or tax (e.g. family, working visas etc). However giving a tax break to a returning kiwi will only incentivise the person to a. return to NZ for 2 years or b. just a tax break for the sake of a tax break (therefore they were going to return anyway). Therefore an additional contribution to kiwisaver by gov to a maximum would be more appropiate and keep funds in NZ. More needs to be address to tax brakets to stop this flow out of NZ in the first place.

    2. I don’t think NZers are ready for compulsory savings, however kiwisaver is definitely a great vehicle. However is there legislation that the monies into managed funds are kept or invested (porportionately) in NZ? This may be the vehicle in which to return capital to NZ.

    3. The KiwiCo has merit to a point and should be carefully considered. The main issue in NZ (unlike Temasek or Khazanah) is that long term infrastructure investment in not intrinsic to NZers. What I’m afraid is that every 3 years with elections is that a government may sell or change the legistlature nature of the % of offshore investment. It could all end up overseas. Therefore SOE’s individually should be sold to a single entity list on NZSX (at market value) or purchase on individual merit. Might as well call a dead duck a dead duck. Ownership should be by way of Gov approx 25 – 49% (no more), 25% max overseas and the rest from individual tax payers (mum and dad kiwis). Majority voting should not be held by Gov to stop once change in the % of shares sold overseas. Easy to get 2/3rds approval with gov and overseas shareholders. Although I may have summarised it too simply, the one big factor is that KiwiCo do not just become a larger beaucratic SOE but rather an international equity investment company with Kiwi companies as part of its portfolio.

  60. Falafulu Fisi
    October 15th, 2008

    @ Boot
    Man made Global warming (aka AGW) is not definitive yet, ie, there is still uncertain to its causes. Researchers/scientists are still debating it. I can cite you some (peer reviewed) scientific publications that throw some doubts on AGW, if you wish. I think that the IPCC is acting too soon in declaring that man is responsible for global warming.

    BTW, I am not a climate scientist, however my main interests is in numerical computing (computer numerical algorithm modeling) and some of the models I developed for my own use are the same ones adopted/used in the IPCC report. So, I do have depth of knowledge about the weaknesses and strengths that often land the computer models in potential misleading results/conclusions.

    The history of science has taught us valuable lessons not to blindly rely on numerical modeling as word of gospels. A classic example, was when Neil Bohr formulated his hydrogen atom model in the early last century. It was hailed as a success when the observed spectra of hydrogen matched exactly what Bohr’s model predicted, but the Bohr model failed completely to describe the spectra of multi-electron atoms, such as Helium, Lithium atoms and so forth. It was found out that the assumptions Bohr made in developing his theory was completely wrong but it gave the correct spectra of hydrogen in agreement with observation. Bohr assumed that electrons revolve around the nucleus in a similar manner to that of planets around the sun (Newtonian manner), which in reality , electrons don’t arrange themselves on a flat plane around the nucleus like that, but in a spherical manner. Quantum mechanics came along and solved the Bohr model.

    It is possible that if man made global warming turned out to be wrong, then we’re seeing the repeating of Bohr’s mistake here. Numerical models is only as good as the assumptions that were used in its formulation. A wrong formulations will give a wrong conclusions even though the observations might still agreed with the models in a narrow domains. Current models only applied in a narrow domain and once data gathering is improved (in the near future) to widen the test domain of the models, then we will see if the models stood up or failed similar to the demise of Bohr’s model.

    Legislation relating to global warming will impose drastic effect on our economic growth, such as slowing it down and I think that our politicians should not play darling to the world as the first nation to meet its Kyoto protocol at the expense of our economic growth.

  61. Jens Meder
    October 15th, 2008

    Michele – It looks like you have not experienced really dictatorial govt. yet, to appreciate the liberal “nanny state” law & order we have the fortune to experience, choose, and canvass for or against, here.
    Civilised living requires legally enforceable rules, like traffic regulations, or compulsory education, etc, etc. – & expect some more rules on investment on credit.
    Compulsory NZSF savings – (Ricky, through the NZSF we have compulsory savings already, and even those without taxable income are participating through GST) – are just like say, practically compulsory life insurance when taking up a huge home mortgage.
    You would prefer the NZSF money to be spent on growth projects, including infrastructure. Both, Cullen & Key talk of considering infrastructure finance from the NZSF to boost our economy and development, if unemployment becomes a problem.
    Consider this: A million of the NZSF invested in infrastructure construction at say 5% (CHeaper than our people are prepared to save for voluntarily), with a labour cost component of say $0.5 million, generates more than twice the taxable income for New Zealand, than a (risky) 20% return of the same $1 million from abroad.
    Also consider – without the efficient collection through taxation and bulk investment through the NZSF, (profitable from day 1 for all the parties concerned), saving for superannuation would just not be worthwhile for low income earners, as the administration of small accounts up to a certain value on their own, costs more than what they earn.
    Michele, Ricky and all others economically enlightened – unless you explicitly prefer unegalitarian plutocracy (which is the natural outcome of unregulated libertarian laissez-faire), the sort of compulsory saving leading to Ownership Democracy is in your own interests to enjoy your eventual prosperity in tranquillity and peace POSSIBLY AT A LOWER RATE OF REDISTRIBUTIVE TAXATION – than what would be possible in our society (and the world!) with still a substantial proportin of hand-to-mouth living have-nots.

  62. Jason Kemp
    October 16th, 2008

    Am I correct in thinking this paper should get at least some credit for this?

    The policy of re-weighting Super Investment from 24% to 40% within NZ is in fact one of the ideas in the draft paper referred to above from the NZX / NZ Institute release.

    The real difficulty here is that such a policy change fits more naturally with Labour than the National Party and there is reason why they couldn’t adopt the same view and neutralise any gains from the policy.

    I would have said in an election you want to differentiate your policies and people not just adopt the other teams policies and pretend this is your idea. I may have missed it – but it would also be polite for My Key to give a hat tip to David Skillings and Mark Weldon

    On Page 14 “Re-directing taxpayer funded savings institutions”

    “The government owns financial institutions that control in excess of $30 billion of financial assets (NZ Super Fund, EQC, ACC etc). These assets exist to fund specific liabilities, and are managed according to orthodox investment and portfolio allocation criteria. However, the current crisis creates a case for examining whether these assets are being invested in a way that maximises the national interest.

    Given that New Zealand firms will find it more difficult to access credit for investment, directing these financial institutions to place a specified proportion in New Zealand investments seems appropriate.”

    Along with the earlier recommendations on adopting a KIwiCo investment vehicle such as Temasek in Singapore and Khazanah in Malaysia a re-weighting of Governement sector institutions towards NZ companies would see to be at least partly the inspiration for Mr Keys’s policy announcement.

  63. Sam Morgan
    October 16th, 2008

    I’m very pleased to see this initiative – well done Mark and David.

    Commenting on the detail of these matters is above my pay grade. However, I would like to see stronger evidence based decision making in all policy decisions. There are too many important decisions made with only anecdotal evidence. Partisanship in this country is used as a substitute for thinking.

    Since stepping back from a full-time role at Trade Me, I have been exposed to a lot of businesses. A couple of observations to fuel the debate:

    * The existing grants system (NZTE/ FRST) are very poorly allocated and ineffective. Ditto for the co-investment schemes.

    * Management quality in New Zealand for entrepreneurial enterprises is generally poor and our ambition limited once basic needs (BMW and Bach) are met.

    The suggestions on provisional tax, for example, are good – but need deep analysis. There are already schemes in place to service bridging (pioneered in the rural sector where revenues lag costs by a long way), there would be an increase in unpaid taxes (because cashflow management is poorly done, on average) and the majority of benefits obviously only accrue to the companies making larger profits – most NZ companies don’t.

    As a start, I would just like to see more smart people – with business experience – working on the solutions. The government’s latest go at the guarantee scheme for finance companies is just another example of how valuable an internship at a real company and some economics training would be for our politicians.

  64. Blair
    October 16th, 2008

    Overall, I thought the paper was excellent, and hopefully short enough that even our politicians will read it. I thought all the suggestions were excellent, with only a couple of caveats.
    Kiwico – I thought this needed a little more explanation. How do we distinguish between state investment companies that have been done well versus those that haven’t'? What’s the empirical evidence? Malaysia’s we don’t know much about, and Singapore’s is perhaps too close to the Lee family interests.
    Incentives for returning Kiwis – you may get too many people seeking to game the system, and it may provoke too much resentment.
    Gradualism – too sudden a removal of the tax advantages for property may cause too deep a recession. (I could tell you were aware of this issue though; it was a little out of scope).
    Encourage investment at home – worthwhile at some levels but remember we are probably about $200bn underweight in terms of our national portfolio of overseas financial assets (i.e. we’d have to buy about $200bn of foreign shares to bring our deficit on investment income back into rough balance). This is financially destabilising. We need to have some overseas assets to draw on when our own terms of trade receives a shock.

    Here’s what I think we should be focusing on:

    ***CORE PRINCIPLES***

    Wealth: the media continually confuses the concepts of income, which we use for short-term expenditure, with wealth, which is the accumulation of physical, economic, environmental, intellectual and human capital that defines the sum of our stored achievements. Increasing income will inevitably fail to buy happiness, but a store of wealth can certainly avoid a lot of sorrow and misery and give people the best chance to fulfil their human potential. We should encourage everybody to accumulate wealth.

    Stability: most observers agree that consumption as a share of output is far too high. Consequently there are far too many people at the moment engaged in surplus service economy functions that will eventually have to be reallocated to do something useful. However, the experience of the 80s and 90s showed that rebalancing the economy takes time, and that doing so via a harsh recession and mass unemployment can be extremely traumatic. NAIRU can increase due to hysteresis. Therefore, the aim should be for continuous reform rather than a big bang. Where relevant, industry should have five year visibility on the trajectory of key prices and taxes. For similar reasons, sustainability is also important.

    Sustainability: our country is overly dependent on an extremely complex and fragile global economic system. We have a huge surplus of food and water (only the food is exported) but a huge deficit of technology, money and energy. We are therefore overly sensitive to disruptions to the existing world order. These shocks will be frequent and severe over the next few decades (financial, energy, disease, climate and security just to name a few). We should therefore choose to prioritise an element of resilience and self-sufficiency in our internal order, even when it fails the test of being utility maximising. In the event of a temporary breakdown in the international order, our way of life should go back a couple of decades, not centuries. Sustainability also means preserving what can be preserved of our natural environment. A clear corollary of the preceding is that we should immediately begin reducing our dependence on fossil fuels.

    Investment: incomes in our country are low primarily due to an insufficient stock of capital applied per hour worked. In order to increase incomes and ultimately wealth, the capital stock will have to increase. Further, the increase in the capital stock is already a form of wealth increase. For the increase in capital to be sustainable, we will have to jump up the technology curve, investing strongly in clean energy generation and transmission, infrastructure, education, transport, biotechnology, and more. This will require an increase in the overall rate of investment as a percentage of national output, most likely at the expense of consumption. While public investment has a role, the more important element is in increasing the incentives to private investment by a) reducing the cost of capital to businesses; and b) increasing the returns to productive investment.

    Saving: high investment combined with low saving leads to massive current account deficits; a clear recipe for instability (in the form of the inevitable day of financial reckoning). Saving should be high enough to leave a small current account surplus, even after allowing for an increased rate of investment. The corollary is that consumption (in real dollar terms) will have to remain stagnant for a number of years in order to bring the economy back into balance gradually (the alternative is a harsh recession). Taxes, moderate compulsion, the removal of perverse incentives and immigration policy should all favour saving.

    Together, these policies are complementary and self-reinforcing.

    ***SPCIFIC POLICIES***

    *Remove tax breaks on houses
    *Increase minimum deposit on housing
    *Better tax deal on income from bank deposits
    *Ban commissions for flogging financial products under the guise of “advice”.
    *Distintermediate financial advisers and institutionalise the personal investment (non-)”industry”
    *Reform the bond market and end the primary issue of sub-investment grade debt to retail
    *Gradual move to pre-funding pension system through compulsory saving
    *Increase voluntary contributions to private pension accounts through capping marginal tax rate at 20% for salary sacrifice into the system
    *Gradual introduction of means test on welfare system
    *Reduce unnecessary transfer payments from government generally, and middle class welfare specifically (on the grounds they crowd out investment and deter saving. Hint: if interest rates are higher than about 3-4%, then government spending is probably too high)
    *Move to a managed float of the currency, pegged to a basket of trading partners (at a lower level than now) in order to allow for planned investment in export industries
    *Reduce immigration other than for the highest skilled bracket (controversial, but the impact of rapid immigration on household formation, mortgage credit growth and overseas indebtedness cannot be overestimated)
    *Reduce corporate taxes, and/or increase deductions for investment (in plant or R&D, not land)
    *Increase taxes on consumption, land, wealth and capital gains taxes in order to reduce income tax
    *No new fossil fuel power plants
    *Legislate to limit the ability of NIMBYs to stall wind power installations (quick arbitration process)
    *All new vehicles sold must be plug-in hybrid or electric within five years
    *Set 5 year trajectory for carbon price prior to entry into an ETS
    *Fund primary research into GHG abatement technology for farming
    *Privatise and fully fund (via an endowment) one small university with a view to creating at least one local elite institution with a focus on postgrad science and technology
    *Make life generally difficult, via the bureaucracy, for foreign corporations selling low-value processed goods, (e.g. through petty regulations on fast food, advertising, packaging, junk mail, etc), thus lowering the returns on investment in these areas.

  65. Jaks Mantel
    October 16th, 2008

    Like National’s fund policy. Sensible. We are so dependent on overseas capital, and we ship all our away, creating national risk, and starving NZ companies on a key part of their diet.

  66. Judy Bruce
    October 16th, 2008

    Finally a policy out of one of the political parties to feel optimistic about– seems like National has taken some notice of what you guys have been encouraging – brave leadership, vision, and some game changing ideas. Their superannuation investment policy ‘keeps it kiwi’ in a way that will promote long term economic growth and prosperity. Surely if we are to believe in Labour’s commitment to their tag line “keep it kiwi”, then they should also be a big supporter. Look forward to more of these bold moves – the future is starting to look brighter…

  67. Falafulu Fisi
    October 16th, 2008

    Blair said…
    Privatise and fully fund (via an endowment) one small university with a view to creating at least one local elite institution with a focus on postgrad science and technology.

    That’s an interesting idea. Perhaps such a small private university can be established here (with ~ 2000 students) to specialize in natural science & engineering R&Ds, similar to the prestigious CalTech (California Institute of Technology), in the US. Such an elite private institution with focus on natural science and technology might attract NASA into considering to shift some divisions of JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory) from CalTech to New Zealand. The academic skills is already here in NZ, it just needs an impetus from someone or organization to start it.

    One elite group that has been already established here locally (2006) is the Dodd/Walls Photonics Centre, which is a joined effort of Auckland/Otago/Canterbury Physics Departments. The work of researchers at Dodd/Walls is world-class. They target to develop world-class technology which will be central to the success of New Zealand’s future economy. Perhaps the Dodd/Walls can pealed off from those Universities to establish a small private elite University named HillTech (Hillary Technical Institute) to concentrate on science & technology. Over time, other disciplines of science/engineering must also be established at HillTech so that it widens its focus to other emerging areas of technology.

    I was surprised that I didn’t see any government ministers or officials from the Ministry of Research, Science & Technology (MORST) at the opening of the Dodd/Walls Centre at Auckland University in early December, 2006. I asked the organizers if they invited any government officials to the opening ceremony and they said yes. Invitation letters were sent to the MORST minister and his officials, but no one bothered to turn up. I told one organizer that it was odd/bizzare that in 2 weeks prior to the opening of the Dodd/Walls Centre, the messiah Al Gore’s lecture at the University of Auckland’s School of Engineering was packed with government ministers, even John Key was there too, to listen to messiah Gore’s gospels. This sort of attitude, shows that our politicians are more interested in questionable science (man made global warming) rather than real science which has huge potential for commercial applications & producing other economic benefits.

  68. Niall Mc Coll
    October 17th, 2008

    Keeping businesses, R&D and investment going should take priority over personal tax cuts in order to stop unemployment rising.

    This is also an opportunity to think about constitutional reform.
    Create a “house of long term planning” that has a more strategic focus than the present house.
    60 Members,
    Six year term, three year half elections,
    Low pay but with high bonuses when goals achieved 5-7 years later.
    Responsible for choosing the directors of “Kiwi corp”, infrastructure investment and planning, business activity and the investment funds.
    Meet only a few days a month so that members can retain their “real” jobs.
    Members able to serve as cabinet ministers which increases the talent pool available.
    This would allow the House of Representatives to focus on what it does well in debating the issues of the day and being responsive to day to day matters.

  69. John R Williams
    October 17th, 2008

    We must not allow our economically inept politicians alone to manage the New Zealand economy through what could be the world’s worst ever recession!

    In the 25 years to 1984, New Zealand’s GDP per capita dropped from 4th highest in the OECD countries to 18th. Thank goodness for the economic reforms introduced by Rodger Douglas in 1984 and continued by Ruth Richardson, because in the last 24 years we have lost only another 4 places to 22nd. During the same period other smaller economies made great economic progress, and raised the quality of life of their peoples – because their Governments worked with leaders from the internationally competitive sectors to maximize their growth.

    To date neither Helen Clark nor John Key have given any indication they understand the effect the world’s imminent recession will have on our vulnerable economy, which is so dependant on the economic health of our major trading partners.  We must therefore, with great urgency, implement a process which forces the new Government to implement a policy which ensures New Zealand’s most successful business leaders play a key role in planning the future direction of our economy.
     
    Prof Paul Callaghan and I believe the most effective way in which to achieve this goal, would be for respected New Zealand business leaders to actively use the media to support, particularly in the period to the election (when key politicians are forced to listen and react), urgent implementation of the following initiative:    

    Identification of New Zealand’s internationally competitive sectors. (Perhaps 8 or so, plus an “Other sectors” category.)
    Identification of the most respected leaders in each of the above sectors. (Perhaps 5 or so from each sector.)
    Formation of Sector Growth Committees comprising the above leaders and appropriate Government Ministers and Ministry representatives, and have them prepare agreed Sector Growth Strategy Plans, which would maximise the sustainable growth of each sector. Ensuring the Sector Growth Committees have access to the resources to implement these plans.
    Wide publication of these plans – both within New Zealand, and to New Zealanders living overseas

    Ensuring the Sector Growth Committees meet, review and update their Sector Growth Plans at least three times each year. 
     
    These Sector Growth Plans would maximise the sustainable growth of the sectors – and would thereby maximize the taxation receipts received by Government during the forthcoming recession. They would also encourage expats involved in these sectors to return to New Zealand, and with their experience and overseas contacts, play a key role in growing our internationally competitive sectors.
     
    To battle through the imminent recession, our most experienced people, must work with Ministers and the relevant Ministries to prepare, publicize and constantly update Sector Growth Plans – plans which must be based on maximizing the sustainable growth of sectors which have already proven their international competitiveness by their success in export.

  70. Jens Meder
    October 19th, 2008

    On latest posts based ideas discussion along a practical, politically achievable level, I think the gradualism of Blair’s CORE PRINCIPLES is the most realistic approach, with the most straightforward first step – on the basis of visible understanding and support already identified – a vigorous debate on the pros and cons about a mandate to the NZSF guardians for investing up to 40% of the NZSF domestically, WITH EMPHASIS ON LOW INTEREST, NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING BONDS (creating jobs & reducing budget deficits in the least inflationary way possble)?
    Also, although the immediately tangible benefits through allocating the NZSF to PAs – Personal Accounts – have been publicised here (Oct. 13th) and elsewhere, as an effective step towards a higher savings culture and the visionary, all-inclusive Ownership Society without the socio-economic split into haves and have nots eventually, there has been no public discussion on the pros and cons of it yet. Why? If it is unrealistic “Utopia”, it should be exposed as such, or at least questioned on its merits or relevance.
    After all, it is a much more simple proposal with quicker results than say, the (not unworthy in principle) idea of Sector Growth Committees formation to prepare plans….for the execution of which you are bound to need more capital…preferably raised domestically through a higher savings culture….

  71. SG
    October 20th, 2008

    1) Provisional tax deferment: No; Effectively this would only be a temporary loan that would be disruptive to long term investment planning and would create significant default risk.
    2) 100% depreciation: YES A great incentive to invest productively, and would avoid some of the bureaucratic nightmare that surrounds tax accounting for fixed assets. This should be made permanent for assets costing less than $10,000, no perhaps $100,000.
    3) Bring Kiwis home: No, they will be coming anyway. If they aren’t already planning to come back then this incentive wouldn’t significantly incentivise them, and it would create a lot of resentment from those of us who have stayed here to try and develop NZ.
    4) Attract new firms to NZ: No, as this is unlikely to be successful in the current climate. There are huge re-location incentives available in many jurisdictions which are very difficult to match, much less beat. Ireland was successful but that was in an entirely different economic period. It also took quite a few years to get rolling.
    5) Retain the R&D tax credit: Yes, but with refinements to reduce the gaming that is underway to reallocate ordinary expenditure as R&D. The R&D credit is bureaucratically neutral and piggy backs private investment decisions. This is much better than the ‘expert’ based granting decisions of government agencies which are supporting many projects that completely lack merit.
    6) Government borrowing for productive investment: yes, but hopefully not for another Motonui.
    7) KiwiCo to own SOEs: Not sure. In my experience businesses thrive because of great management and with good competition, seldom because of a great board. SOEs mostly lack competitive markets and I don’t think a holding company board will help them. Even partial privatisation has many politcal problems, unless the stake is given to every NZer who has paid taxes over the last 3 years.
    8) Redirecting taxpayer funded investment funds. Lots of room for management improvement here and good opportunities for better strategy.
    9) Compulsory savings: Yes, but the problem is that poor people can’t afford to put money in Kiwisaver.
    10) Eliminate housing speculation bias: Yes, even though it has been a tax beneficial bias for my own retirement planning.
    11) Deposit insurance: Yes, I hope RBNZ is on top of the crisis in confidence which could even bring down Local Authorities if they can’t refinance existing debt.
    12) Interest rates: Yes

  72. Jens Meder
    October 20th, 2008

    SG – we have all-inclusive compulsory super saving already – look up posts – Jens M, 13th & 15th of Oct. KiwiSaver should not be compulsory, so that the entrepreneurially motivated are free to invest and manage their own money.
    But what do you think 0f the $1000.- KiwiSaver incentive grant to all qualifying citizens, with the initial allocation not costing the taxpayer a cent extra if allocated as a KiwiSaver Account within the NZ Super Fund at the same time when allocating the latter to Personal Accounts.
    Critical questions & comments welcome.

  73. Chris Bumby
    October 20th, 2008

    Congrats to Mark and David for raising this issue. It is crucial to NZ’s economic health and well-being over the next decade. Your call for input has been exercising my brain, so before it becomes too late, here is my twopennorth:

    1) Brain Drain: The suggested tax reduction for returning prodigal sons is politically poisonous and will not be adopted by the major political parties for fear of voter backlash. I also agree with others that a 20% tax reduction will probably still not be enough for employees in UK, Europe or Asia to benefit financially by returning home. Besides which, why should we distinguish between returning kiwis and other skilled immigrants? New Zealand needs more infrastructure (see below) and to achieve that it needs more taxpayers/customers to pay for it. Doubling New Zealand’s population (e.g. 8 million) seems to be an appropriate target that will go some way to fixing that. Targeted immmigration advertising camapigns (c.f. ’50’s/60’s one way free ticket programme) would be my preferred approach to this. Debate will undoubtedly rage about “where” are appropriate regions to attract migrants from, I don’t care – I just want enough people to be paying taxes that we can build a proper motorway between Wellington and Auckland. There are going to be quite a lot of people globally looking to make a fresh start of it when the dust settles in the northern hemisphere. A welcome, a job and an opportunity to start again will go a long way – just like it has done throughout history in the wake of major economic upheavals. A likely source of jobs will be in building 4 or 5 new towns that will be required to house these new immigrants. A national debate is required to re-educate new zealanders that (a) we are a nation of migrants, and (b) that immigration is great for the economy and great for the country.

    2) Tax benefits for immigrating businesses: This has worked well in otehr countries (e.g. Ireland, Singapore). I disagree with the draft doument in as much as the real trick is to attract immobile businesses with ’sticky assets’ – not the mobile ones who will disappear to the next tax haven once their welcome wears out. A lot of NZ firms are also going to cry foul at this unless they get the same benefits up front; ie. 2 years tax-free starting from April 9th 2009. This is just too expensive to be seriously entertained (as is an alternative strategy of 4 years taxed at 15%). There is room for tinkering with business tax around the edges, but a better approach to attracting new businesses to the NZ economy is to simply make it the best and easiest place to do business from. Which leads me to my main point:

    3) Infrastructure in all its forms is a fundamental ENABLING attribute of an economy. The cost-effective and timely movement of things, people, data and energy around the entire nation is eesential to enable the available resources to be used in the most efficient manner. Infrastructure that works is of far more value to an economy than the profits made by infrastructure owner-operators. The current SOE system has led to chronic underinvestment in broadband and electricity generation & transmission. Transport infrastructure in NZ is woeful in a global context. Taking the energy sector as an example; short-term profit considerations drive a “maximum price for minimum service” mantra that yields high dividends to the shareholders (government) whilst maintaining a price point too high to permit the growth of energy intensive businesses. One of NZ’s key global points of competitive advantage is its low population density leading to a high ratio of natural resources per capita; this includes energy. There is a strong positive correlation between energy use and GDP. Energy intensive industries such as Aluminium-smelting and NZSteel have been key economic success stories for NZ. Despite under-investment, NZ still has the 3rd cheapest electricity in the OECD. But Tiwai Pnt and NZSteel would never have been built in today’s political climate. If NZ can double its energy generation capacity in the next 5 years, and maintain close to current prices, there will be plenty of manufacturing industries flocking to our shores. How to enable investment in energy generation? We need a step change – infrastructure investment must be driven by an entity who’s performance measures include the economic benefit to the nation – and if that sounds dangerously like Think Big and nationalisation thats because it is. The Great Depression saw the nationalisation of a number of indutries throughout the world, and this one will too. When it all goes horribly wrong governments are the only ones capable of picking up the pieces. Getting systems in place before it becomes an emergency is a very good idea. The trick is to learn from the failures of the past and set in place management systems and accountability that encourage efficiency AND ambition. I don’t think the current SOE system matches up on the ambition front (or has enough money) to install ~10GW of generating capacity in the next 5 years. A new investment vehicle is needed – lets call it NewInfraCo; NewInfraCo needs to be able to take more into consideration than just shareholder profits and hence it must be a separate entity to any NZ soverign-wealth fund type entity (see below). NewInfraCo would sell government-guaranteed infrastructure bonds to fund its investments in new generation and once the plants were operational and delivering power to the grid it would seek to sell them onto operating SOE’s. It should only be able to hold a small number of plants at any one time thus requiring it to divest of a previous investment before it can begin a new project and thus maintaining focus on adding new capacity. A similar model with concomitantly ambitious targets would also be suitable for the proposed broadband roll-out and urgently neccessary Transpower upgrades.

    (N.B. To put this much extra generation in is going to require relaxing the thermal generation rules and recognising Kyoto as just too expensive. Don’t worry everybody else will do too – Canada did so a while ago)

    4) A Sovereign-Wealth Fund (e.g. Temasek NZ): I don’t think this is a good idea for NZ SOE’s that are infrastructure-owner-operators (see above). But this is a great idea if, like Temasek, it seeks to launch corporate raids on foreign businesses, thus allowing NZinc. to build up an asset base and income denominated in non-NZ$ currencies. Over time this will enable us to offset the current account deficit and it will also provide vital ballast for an economy and currency that has a tendency to bounce around like a ping-pong ball. “Temasek NZ” should be a purely profit-driven enterprise with top quality managers who are rewarded appropriately. Invested in large multinational corporates at levels which enable shareholder activism, this is the correct place for NZSF and maybe some of the government contribution to kiwisaver. Further funds would be available through share offering (restricted to 25% of the company and mandated to be listed on NZX in perpetuity) and/or bond issuance (lets try and avoid guaranteeing this one too!). Temasek NZ would obviously be free to invest in any NZ business that was not infrastructure-based.

    The next decade is going to see economies that produce ‘things’ flourish. Consumption without production is not going to be a successful strategy. NZ needs to start working towards a successful strategy urgently.

  74. CT
    October 22nd, 2008

    In terms of the short term pressures on businesses (i.e. pressures on cash flows and availability of credit) there are a number of tactical or short term actions that could be taken to improve access to and availability of credit, and to assist businesses in managing their cash flows.

    These ideas probably need more thinking through in terms of implementation and implications, but here are some of my ideas:

    1. Change tax law such that interest on business loans is deducted at a ratio of 2x thereby reducing the after tax cost of debt. Alternatively this could take the form of a rebate or subsidy to reduce the cost of funds to businesses. These ideas rest on the assumption that it would improve access to credit due to banks needing to charge a higher interest rate to compensate for higher credit risk and higher cost of funds to the bank.

    2. Institute a government funded factoring operation that provides widely available and low cost factoring services to businesses (factoring is the process of purchasing accounts receivable). This would solve the short term problem of cash crunch – D&B reported businesses are taking an average about 45 days to pay their bills now rather than 30 days. Factoring will improve cash management in businesses by reducing the time to receipt of cash flow and (potentially) removing/transferring the credit risk to an organisation more capable of managing this and with resources in place for debtor management (i.e. collections staff, i.e. IRD).

    3. Company liquidation protection; an SOE could be instituted to manage liquidations and bankruptcies of companies that, were it not for the global economic and financial market shock, would still be healthy, well run businesses that contributed to employment and economic growth. In terms of function its mandate could be to provide emergency liquidity loans to assist in managing cash flow crises, provide specialist advice, and have the capacity to take equity stakes in businesses both as a means of funding them and ensuring that the operation is not just a charity case i.e. that it takes an economic interest in the success of the companies.

    4. Extend proposed government guarantee of debt from financial institutions sector to large corporates; especially traded debt issues. This would likely have the effect of reducing the interest rate that these businesses would have to pay (without necessarily exposing the government if a reasonably sound selection criteria was set). The guarantee should reduce credit/default risk (and therefore potentially remove/reduce the credit risk premium). It may also prevent an imbalance that would favour financial institution deposits over listed/publicly traded debt (as investors might seek the safety of a government guaranteed bank deposit over an investment grade bond), which in the long term could be very damaging to debt capital markets (which presumably is contrary to the goals of the MED’s capital markets taskforce).

  75. A May
    October 30th, 2008

    Let us recognize that the exposure this country now faces has one cause and that is 20+ years of policy which punishes domestic savers. Every year savings are depreciated by inflation, yet income tax is levied on the interest which barely (if at all) makes up for the depreciated investment and is not income at all. So it simply doesn’t make sense to save money. We know that the official inflation rate is understated by intent (Pollyanna policy) by including things like satnavs which artificially drag it down and wages which make a circular reference. Printing money, giving it away, and lowering the interest rates again won’t help. It has to make sense for people to save.

  76. Grant Hodgson
    October 31st, 2008

    Great to see the quality of responses and debate that have been generated by your excellent starting point for discussion.

    There is one significant area of the Economy/Infrastructure/Government Balance sheet that has not been mentioned much- Education. We have, in our Universities, Polytechs, and schools, a noisily incoherent, underperforming, uncoordinated, and mis-directed set of often, (not always), high-quality assets , that represent a huge opportunity to contribute to the solution of our long-term economic and demographic weaknesses, at many levels.

    I have just returned from my fourth visit to India this year and the one thing I am really clear about, is that the NZ Educated brand does carry a real comparative advantage.

    It would be great to see an equally well-planned and thought-through approach to getting best value from a KiwiEdco.

  77. Praveen Kumar
    November 4th, 2008

    This is definitely a great paper and greater still is the initiative to involve other stake holders into this discussion.

    Our position in the world has slipped because we have failed to emerge from the mind set of an agricultural economy. As economies develop the share of agriculture in overall GDP reduces. We largely missed the industrial age because we did not have economy scale in our favor due to the small population base. But there is simply no excuse to miss out on the opportunity that information age provides us.

    Wealth is always created through exchange of ideas. Advent of the print media was the first major break through which ushered science and the industrial age. This was followed by radio, telephony, television and now we have the internet which leading the new charge. In NZ we have perhaps the costliest communication set up in the world. We remain insulated not only geographically but also mentally. The economic revolution in India took place when the costs of telephone calls and internet came down dramatically. India today has much faster broadband, optic cables connecting the country and communication costs that are at least 50 times cheaper than NZ. If we have to move ahead in the information age then this is the first bottle neck that has to be removed. Wealth in today’s world is created through ideas……this is the greatest untapped strength of NZ. If we have to take a leap ahead then we have to remodel our economy to take advantage of the information age. Our geographical isolation from problems of terrorism are a huge advantage in the information age. We can be isolated and yet be global in our approach. Our small population base has no disadvantage in the information age. To remodel ourselves we have to create the right infrastructure and education.

    Secondly we have to market NZ as the most politically stable, corruption free, secure country with excellent infrastructure. Money today is electronic and flows in a direction that has environment for growth and stability. Fortunately we have both these in abundance and yet we have been able to secure so little of it.

    Lastly, NZ is a retires haven with it beauty & climate…………..we have to promote this………….we should make NZ the retirement village for the rich.

  78. David R
    November 4th, 2008

    Bryan Gould has a few good ideas in his latest book ‘Rescuing the NZ Economy’
    The ILSS proposal originally by Phil Verry seemed to be largely ignored by the recent parliamentary select committee since the RB did not like it.
    I just wondered if that or a similar scheme has been looked at by our authors.

  79. Jens Meder
    November 29th, 2008

    David, a pity you do not mention what Phil Verry’s ILSS proposal is all about.
    Praveen, NZ as a retirement haven is a good idea, and ideas are needed for innovations – but you must be awarethat say, that the investment in India’s communication’s progess did require savings to finance it…..

    And A May – yes , inflation punishes cash savers, so our latest policy efforts to keep inflation below 3% is a sound move.
    Unfortunately, the effort to do it via relatively high interest rate did not increase our local savings rates as much as attracting foreign savings, which in turn, made it more difficult to keep inflation low.
    So, for the future, better inflation control could perhaps be achieved through a combination of RB interest rates control, marginal compulsory (super) savings rates adjustments, + higher or lower domestic NZSF investment rates?

  80. David R
    December 1st, 2008

    Jens,
    It is more than I can explain here but please go to
    http://www.erosgroup.co.nz/monetarypolicy.asp
    and http://www.erosgroup.co.nz/myfiles/ILSS_Submission_ExecSummary-final.pdf for the origination.

  81. Jens Meder
    December 2nd, 2008

    David R – I was surprised – and haven’t you noticed – that the ILSS (Interest Linked Savings Scheme) in 11 (a – k) lengthy points – agrees with, and proposes almost exactly what is contained in my last sentence, Nov. 29th?
    My only criticism is in that there are no explanations as to what the “new & more effective instruments of the ILSS solution” are, “to replace the failed OCR(?) surcharge (high RB interest) with the collected new free savings fund”?
    Where are the “new free savings” supposed to come from? In my view, they could come from a proportion of the NZSF, and those KiwiSavings, where their owners prefer them invested with the NZSF?
    Can you please draw my attention to anything I might have missed or misunderstood in the ILSS proposal?

  82. Jens Meder
    December 2nd, 2008

    David – I now perused the whole ILSS submission, and understand it is based on replacing the “OCR (Official Cash Rate) interest surcharge” with the “ILSS (Interes Linked Savings Scheme) savings surcharge” – which, as the difference between the Reserve Bank imposed OCR and the free market interest rate, is to be credited to domestic lenders or a new public “free savings fund”?
    While I enthusiastically accept ALL the domestic savings supportive observations and arguments in the submission as socio-economically constructive and advantageous, I think the “ILSS savings surcharge” is an unnecessary bureaucratic complication, with dubious benefits if any, because:
    1. Since the OCR did not attract enough domestic savings, wouldn’t it have to be raised quite substantially (with foreign savings prohibited) to increase our savings rate, and would that not also raise the free market borrowing/savings rates?
    2. Isn’t our all-inclusive universal (compulsory) NZ Super Fund saving more effective, fair, and egalitarian at a lower cost, and more straightforward and simple, to all the parties involved?
    3. Isn’t everything expected of the ILSS savings surcharge to achieve, achieved by the NZSF taking over a prudent proportion of foreign financed mortgages etc, i.e. eliminating, or converting foreign debt into domestic debt?

  83. David R
    December 2nd, 2008

    Jens,
    I accept your comments in full.
    I personally have not involved myself in in-depth analysis of the ILSS presentation.
    My sole response (almost with incredulity) is that our illustrious parliamentary representation on the select committee chose not to (possibly could not understand) the content of the submission.
    Then to accept without question the RB experts(?) that they know best shows our government is deficient if not defective.
    I am sure we all would value some comment from our authors.

    Vaguely related to the above, today I see Kiwibank is being very successful in mopping up cash from within NZ and lending it out on mortgages at very competitive rates.

  84. Stewart Forsyth
    January 26th, 2009

    In ‘Swan-dive or Belly-flop’, Mark Weldon and David Skilling have started an important discussion about how NZ can negotiate the current period of economic, social and personal dislocation, and be capable of succeeding in the new environment (http://www.nzinstitute.org/Images/uploads/Economy_on_the_Edge_-_updated.pdf).

    Weldon and Skilling present a range of innovative proposals. Here I want to explore their suggestion that we incentivise talented people and thriving businesses to come to NZ. Their point is that NZ risks losing an important part of its ability to develop people, business and the NZ economy if ongoing trends of talented people leaving continue, and if a high proportion of businesses established in NZ are bought out by overseas capital.

    Their suggestion to make NZ a gainer, not loser of people and firms is to provide tax breaks (a cap of 20% tax for earners and zero corporate tax for businesses in their first 24 months in NZ). People and businesses go where the incentives are, and this initiative would also provide an excellent vehicle to get out the message that NZ is crying out for talent and business.

    In considering this incentive I would like to bring in some research into what does attract people to come to NZ. Generally it appears, for expat Kiwis anyway, to be the life-style and family/whanau.

    An e-survey of 2208 mostly business professional expatriates found that they could be usefully divided into two groups more likely to return home and two groups more likely to stay away (http://www.uabr.auckland.ac.nz/files/articles/Volume6/v6i2-brain-drain-to-talent-flow.pdf) . Those who were attracted to the kiwi life-style and aspects of family / whanau relations were more likely to come home. The more career-oriented and those attracted to cultural opportunities were more likely to see their future off-shore.

    Digging down to more fundamental psychological attributes these researchers discovered that more achievement-focused people (seeking success in competition, with a standard of excellence) were those less likely to return to NZ. To take this point a little further – there are consistent relationships between achievement orientation and entrepreneurialism – at the individual and societal levels (http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a784770390~db=all).
    We currently do a good job of communicating the life-style message (e.g., ‘100% pure NZ’), this is an attractive message for ‘life-stylers’, but is not compelling for achievement-oriented entrepreneurs. Instead these messages could be perpetuating a process of encouraging the flow of entrepreneurs to be one-way – out.

    Bringing tax-breaks into the incentive mix (as well as bush and beaches) is more likely to begin building the alternative (but in no way incompatible) message of growth and opportunity. How do we amplify this message so that it can be heard?

    My first suggestion is to make it easier for people to get closer so they can hear the message. This also helps them to do their reality check and assure themselves that this is a message of substance, rather than style.

    We need to encourage talented people, not just Kiwi expats to check us out. A sabbatical opportunity for relatively young careerists – a ‘working holiday’ – without the catch-22 ‘get a work permit before you find a job’ constraints that apply at present would get people close enough to get the message.

    My second suggestion is to provide further incentives for the growth of businesses in NZ. At present there are awards for existing and new businesses (and business-people – e.g., Deloitte Fast 50, Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year). These provide a brilliant venue for celebrating achievement. I suggest packing more punch into these endeavors by providing financial incentives in a competition to reward the financial and work-force growth of businesses. For example, the winners in each of ‘grow the financial value of the business’ and ‘grow the staff of your business’ would receive $1m – to be split 50:50 between the shareholders and the employees.

    This model is the same as that of the X Prize Foundation that establishes incentive prize competitions that have clear, objective goals. For a small ($2m annually) the government or charitable foundation could make a highly visible contribution to the value of growing profitable businesses. By focusing on growth these prizes would provide the concentrate the attention of entrepreneurs on the potential of making a contribution in New Zealand.

  85. Anonymous
    February 4th, 2009

    Bonds held when you rent a property don’t earn interest. This should be changed. Bond money should earn at least OCR over the period it is held for.

  86. David R
    February 4th, 2009

    Recent comments by Bob Hargeaves from Massey was that it would effectively be difficult to penalise developers who held land back from development.
    Surely we already have a system in place that could be applied.
    This is the taxation on notional 5% dividend yield on overseas shares.
    The same could easily be applied at a suitable rate against undeveloped land already zoned for development or even applied to all land that has an ability to earn.

  87. Les Rudd
    February 9th, 2009

    To accelerate NZ out of recession when the break-point does emerge I suggest the following:

    Number 1 – A different method to control inflation, and I suggest the use of a complementary tool to the OCR called the Reserve Capital Rate (RCR). This rate would also be set by RBNZ and it’s purpose would be to direct money to a ‘reserve capital account’ associated with any loan, even credit cards. The RCR would apply to both domestic and commercial borrowers. Funds in these accounts (or one aggregate account per person or business) would be owned by the borrower and be held in reserve until released at some future point on the inflation curve.

    This kind of thing is easy to implement and seems more palatable than say ring-fencing investment property losses, a capital gains tax, stamp duty/mortgage tax or a compulsory ’interest linked compulsory savings scheme’ as the terms tax, compulsory or remove are nowhere to be seen. (These are not great motivational terms!) At worst, it’s the less nasty ‘delay’ word. It need not restrain choice any more than choice is restrained now and it’s no more compulsory than having to pay all the interest component to a bank/lender, all of which is never seen again with just an OCR based mechanism. At least with this mechanism you’d get some of it back, that is, the RCR component. It’s you money why lose it to overseas lenders, off-shore bank shareholders – keep it here in New Zealand.

    Consider the following, From early 2004 RBNZ started to ramp up the OCR in particular due to the effect of house price inflation. Let’s suppose RBNZ had access to the RCR as they started their tightening. Let’s pick an arbitrary point to tighten with the RCR, rather than just the OCR, say April 2004, when RBNZ increased the OCR to 5.50% with a 0.25% increase. Say that 0.25% of interest load was directed to any loan’s associated ‘reserve capital account’. By October of that year RBNZ had increased the OCR to 6.50%, but had they used only the RCR for these increases that 1% of interest load would be in ‘reserve capital accounts’ – not heading offshore to foreign lenders and their shareholders, never to be seen again.

    The aggregate effect of OCR and RCR would have meant inflation was controlled as intended with the OCR, but better than it was. This is because the OCR would have remained lower thereby not allowing the banks to so easily attract foreign loan capital, in excess of our real needs, which was actually drawn to us like bees to honey as off-shore money could see the OCR going ever higher as our banks insulated borrowers from it’s effects with ever increasing use of fixed rate mortgages. (Nearly 80% of mortgages are fixed rate.)This became a self-exacerbating loop as said off-shore money was easier to access because of our relatively higher and increasing OCR, loan capital was ever easier for borrowers, meaning RBNZ had to keep increasing the OCR. And so it went on. The off-shore loan capital wasn’t anymore expensive, if anything it was becoming relatively cheaper as we were sourcing it from countries with much lower cash rates – that’s why we were awash with it here. The irony in this situation is that it actually served to increase inflation, not reduce it. With the RCR this loop is effectively broken and the negative effects on inflation control moderated with the use of the RCR, not just because of the throttling of money supply, but because of the immediacy associated with the RCR’s application. Indeed even just knowing it’s there as ‘the stick on the mantle piece’ is useful, more so than Alan Bollard’s jawbone that everyone, especially the banks, ignored. No one would be able to ignore the RCR. I believe the net effect would have meant lower and less rapidly rising inflation, with all that entails, eg. better priced housing and lower currency – not having to get as high as 8.25% on just an OCR based system, with all that entails, in particular paying more in interest load – which you’d never see again don’t forget.

    Now let’s think about what is happening now. Essentially we are experiencing an external economic shock not of our own making. (Notwithstanding the fact that we were well into a recession of our own making because the application of monetary policy was less and less effective.) Anyway, as the OCR is reducing the banks are struggling to pass the benefit on in retail rates, because they are filling holes, building risk-reserves and money is harder to come by out there for them now. However, if RBNZ had an RCR to play with too, most of the loosening we need could come in the main from a reduction in the RCR. Again it’s the benefit of immediacy with this tool. Plus we have funds in the associated ‘reserve capital accounts’ that could be released as appropriate.

    Conditions for release in more benign times would need to be looked at in detail. However, in a free market economy you should be able to spend your money as you like, but the release point would be controlled by RBNZ according to the existing ‘Policy Targets Agreement’. Perhaps you might give a degree of tax credit for transfer into a retirement savings account/plan/Kiwisaver to encourage longer term saving for individuals – if that is their choice. Or, they might put it in something like a range of ‘New Zealand Investment Trusts’ which aim to invest in good Kiwi businesses – simple as that, it don’t matter what they are focused on in terms of type of business but they’d be Kiwi businesses. Government could help set these trusts up and maybe retain a stake, BUT, they’d be run by non-Government managers.

    Legislation would be required making it illegal to lend for profit without arranging facility for deposits to be directed to a borrower’s ‘reserve capital account’. The location of ‘reserve capital accounts’ could be regulated by RBNZ and I’d suggest held only with institutions of highest repute and credit rating, or maybe RBNZ. This would stop profligate issue of funds against the intention of the RCR mechanism.

    For savers disappointed with perceived lower interest rates, it should be noted that after the actuation point of the RCR in a tightening cycle, inflation would be under better control meaning purchasing power is retained – the point of inflation control. In the long run other avenues of sustainable investment would emerge, like prospering firms/exporters in the productive sector and more diverse base finance companies not prone to going bust because we get a wobble in the property market, because there would be less wobbles and more sustainable diverse investment opportunities in the productive sector. In addition savers deposits should increase as general wealth increases with what that implies for those living on savings.

    As for importers who might complain about a lower exchange rate, we’d actually get wealthier based on our productive sector being more competitive and so we’d still be able to pay for our LCD TV’s and flashier cars, but in the main with a lower net debt component. The macro net effect would be a reducing current account deficit, which would lower the risk premium off-shore lenders seek from us as a deficit nation, which is of no small proportion as you well know, thereby delivering lower cost loan capital in the long run. Hence a virtuous cycle for increasing national wealth, and all that implies.

    Domestic inflation could be more precisely targeted by RBNZ while leaving the OCR relatively lower therefore not leading to an over-valued exchange rate reflecting speculative money flows rather than real trade flows, thereby weakening our export sectors with all that entails.

    The aggregate payment load of the two rates would be less than with just the OCR, as inflation would be more effectively controlled.

    It’d be useful in that it more directly opposes our innate inability to delay gratification, and with it in application at any time, people might be more inclined to think if they actually do need that great looking LCD TV or flashier car. However, if you can’t wait you’ll get the RCR component back eventually – use of your money is simply delayed, not lost down the gurgler forever. It’s your money, so why should you give it away unnecessarily to bankers, credit card companies and their shareholders?

    While we are at it, isn’t it about time we had a committee like BOJ, BOE and FOMC, setting rates, not just one individual?

    Number 2 – Reintroduce the R&D tax credit. Government should do what they have tried to do with the RMA – de-bureaucratise the system. Other countries can get this to work, why can’t we? Not long after it was introduced I started to develop concerns on this aspect and I believe it comes down to the seemingly higher ‘bureaucracy factor’ in New Zealand. It was always going to risk prone with the restrictive Frascatti definition of research probably being pumped down the throat of IRD by FRST. New Zealand companies need this as little r, bigger D, and the system should reflect this and the culture of small medium enterprise firms in New Zealand – not Northern Hemisphere sme cultures.

    Number 3 – Tax credit 3rd party investment in private sector R&D. You might have different rates for start-ups. Don’t forget oaks come from accorns and we are going to need em’.

    Number 4 – First year full rate depreciation on plant and patent expenditure.

    Number 5 – Tax credit firm sponsored training and education focused on management, leadership development and new product development.

    Number 6 – Don’t shrink from debate and sweep politically awkward issues under the carpet. Positively critique and build on each others ideas so we can build a better New Zealand, so please do critique these suggestions rather than ignore them. You may be able to completely over turn them so we waste no more time on them, or you may make them better and that might benefit us all.

  88. Philip Bridgen
    March 6th, 2009

    I am impressed by Stewart Forsyth’s practical suggestions (26/01/09) on developing better targeted attractants for Kiwi emigres and others from overseas who have skills we need, but who are career and opportunity oriented. I also support Les Rudd’s call (9/02/09) for the 15% R & D credit to be reinstated, and his other suggestions to encourage NZ-based R & D. Up until these two contributions, I had grown increasingly perturbed by what seemed to me to be an undue focus in the Swanbelly Blog on interest and tax machinations as offering the way out of our troubles.

    The productive segments of NZ, which are the only ones that can or will get us out of the S**t, are collectively no larger than many international corporations – whether in terms of people involved, revenues, productive capacity, or whatever. Perhaps the representatives of our productive sectors, and others of a similar mind, should find ways to cooperate and consult in using well-proven business strategic planning processes to identify NZ Inc’s strengths and weaknesses, opportunities and threats (Yes, the good old Boston Consulting SWOT analysis). Also the BCG Growth-share matrix, to identify NZ’s Cash Cows (no, not necessarily dairy products!), the Stars we should grow, the Question Marks that could be stars, and the Dogs that have had their day.

    In other words, IMHO, what NZ Inc really needs right now, rather than abstruse discussions on monetary and fiscal policies, are realistic, practical, immediately do-able tactics to identify and take concrete action on, inter alia:-

    1. the things (products and services) that currently and in the near-term future provide NZ’s greatest net income from overseas markets;

    2. the areas of marketable research, science, innovation and technology where NZ has or can build market and strategic advantage;

    3. the specific hurdles (e.g. NZ govt or other policies, investment finance availability, relevant education provision, etc) that hamper progress with items 1 and 2, and the actions available to mitigate or eliminate them;

    4. the infrastructural items – e.g. pervasive high-speed broadband, fail-safe electricity supply – and improved or new services, structures, policies and procedures required to fully support the renewed and more focused NZ Inc activities; and,

    5. the mechanisms through which discussion and decision leading to action on all of these matters must be coordinated and directed toward real, ongoing success that produces real, measurable positive results for all NZers.

    I truly hope that this submission generates useful discussion, regardless of either praise or criticism.

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